Comments on: Carrie Prejean has second thoughts about recent Blisss Magazine pic

By: Warren

Warren — Thu, 21 May 2009 23:24:56 +0000

This will be comment 485 on a post about Carrie Prejean’s Blisss pics that somehow got off on to other things. Some light was generated but surely lots of heat.
A comment involving the Third Reich came along (I deleted it) which is a good sign we have probably reached the bottom.
This is somewhat distressing. Regular commenters here are well educated and thoughtful folks. However, it is clear these matters generate lots of passion which probably reflects the deep division in our society. The divide leads to a competition of sorts with tactics and rhetoric getting in the way of reasoned presentation of evidence.
Look up Sherif’s Robber’s Cave experiment. When we get on a side, certain social behaviors seem to follow.
One quick off topic example before I shut down the thread. Here is a headline from the Traditional Values Coalition:
Protect a pedophile — Jail a pastor.
Distortions in both phrases. I think the TVC people have to know the hate crimes bill will do neither. They may worry that someday, some judge will interpret the law in a negative manner but they have to know that the bill as written does not deal with pedophiles or pastors.
Wanting to win, feeling threatened leads to pressure to engage in behavior that is antithetical to foundational principles.
I hope we can try this again on the other threads. There is one on gay marriage if folks want to comment on the merits of the issues without attacks.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Thu, 21 May 2009 23:11:05 +0000

Mary ~ May 21, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Pardon me – for not endorsing you.

Really – truly – couldn’t care less. I didn’t attack you, and I haven’t asked for your endorsement – or anyone else’s. Nor have I chastized anyone for not supporting me or my view.
I have chastized bigotry… but then provided a definition to show what I meant. Perhaps that’s what got everyone’s undies in a bunch. Dunno.
David,

“I’ve never seen you like you were the last few days”

and yet you still can’t point at an example.
Well, I’m a bit tired of all this. So if someone posts after this I’ll just have to let it slide not matter how much I may be tempted to respond.

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Thu, 21 May 2009 22:28:27 +0000

@ Jayhuck,
Did you have any response to my comment at 8:54 on May 21? I tried to be thoughtful and thorough to your questions about why Christian’s have not gone after heterosexuals….
@ Timothy,
Did you mean “chucking at the irony” or “chuckling at the irony?” I’ve never seen you like you were the last few days…hope for better days ahead.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 21 May 2009 22:27:14 +0000

Pardon me – for not endorsing you.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 21 May 2009 22:05:55 +0000

Timothy, don’t you think it is strange that you have attacked everyone here and then call them on their defense of their beliefs by syaing they are calling you a bad guy. Sounds like everyone is aksing for the same thing. We all hold different opinions but you want us to hold only your opinion. Run. If that’s what you feel like doing. Though many opinions here are not shared by me, I do respect their right to have those opinions and express it. When taken to task for all of your remarks about others – you simply decline to admit you have done so.
I was just reading another blog and found yet again where they have twisted the words of another person. Sounds like you do the same. Or just deny you ever wrote anything. Or – never answer the person to whom you have posted. Tactics – that’s all you have done here. Not truth, not dialogue – just tactics and blaming others for not supporting you.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 21 May 2009 21:19:36 +0000

LOL!!!! Just trying to get some agreement out of you. Otherwise you’re rhetoric sounds alot like the fundamentalist christians. You still have nto acknowledged that I identify with gays and yet do not endorse gay marriage as such. I support it but do not endorse it.
Seems you have a lot of pick and choose room and leave none for everyone else.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:58:30 +0000

Oh geezzz,
I said I was done and here I still am.
Mary, what are you talking about? I didn’t assign two groups (gays v. Christian) so I don’t know what you mean. I know a lot of folks are neither and a lot of folks (myself included) are both.
And I don’t know about the Third Reich but the phase “He who is not with me is against me” is more commonly attributed to Jesus (Mattew 12:30).

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:44:38 +0000

Hmmm
This thread seems to have devolved into a “Timothy is a bad guy” thread. Okie dokie, if that makes you feel better about yourself, I don’t mind.
🙂
I will just go quietly away chucking at the irony of a host of folks indignant over slights they are sure I’ve give them (but which they can’t seem to find) but who feel free to smear and demean gay folks as a whole.
God’s best to y’all.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:33:31 +0000

Timothy,
FYI – I don’t identify with the Christian group at large. So…. you ‘ve given people two choices and that’s a flase selection. There’s more to the world than black and white, gay and anti gay issues.

By: Ann

Ann — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:16:09 +0000

Just smile everyone…he is enjoying your distress about his behavior.
Thanks David, I am. I refer often to Philipians 4:7-9 – it helps me distinguish the difference between what is considered just noise and what is worthy of praise.