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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apart from being in Australia, it&#039;s seem you have some things in common.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from being in Australia, it&#8217;s seem you have some things in common.  🙂</p>
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		By: Alan Chambers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes my name is Alan Chambers but I am from Australia. I am gay , I have been in a gay relationship for over 20 years, he is shaming my name.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes my name is Alan Chambers but I am from Australia. I am gay , I have been in a gay relationship for over 20 years, he is shaming my name.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/20/alan-chambers/#comment-26988</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Weeks, months later?   That is so sad Alan!  I think the lack of a moral center is right on.  Gathering info is the worst excuse I&#039;ve heard to date for his lack of a swift response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weeks, months later?   That is so sad Alan!  I think the lack of a moral center is right on.  Gathering info is the worst excuse I&#8217;ve heard to date for his lack of a swift response.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/20/alan-chambers/#comment-26987</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren you should close your last blockquote tag, somehow you missed a &quot;&#060;/&quot; at the front.
I didn&#039;t want to comment on Mr Chambers comments until I had read them all on his blog.   But I had trouble getting past that first sentence and the rest of that first paragraph has me worried at the start.   Phrasing such as:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A &lt;strong&gt;recent hullabaloo over a conference&lt;/strong&gt; in Uganda has had me thinking and praying about some things.  The &lt;strong&gt;conference centered on a conservative, presumably Christian, response to gay issues&lt;/strong&gt; in that country.  In Uganda, homosexual behavior is punishable by imprisonment and there is talk of stiffening the penalties.  Several &lt;strong&gt;American gay activists and even some conservative Christians have raised a ruckus&lt;/strong&gt; about the event and rightfully so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Maybe I&#039;m nitpicking, but it isn&#039;t the &quot;&lt;em&gt;hullabaloo&lt;/em&gt;&quot; that should have gotten Chambers thinking, it should have been the idea of the conference itself.   And what is this about a &quot;&lt;em&gt;presumably Christian response&lt;/em&gt;?&quot;   Chambers&#039;/Exodus&#039; man Schmierer was there in Uganda supporting whatever response should come from the conference alongside his buddies, Lively and Brundidge.   This idea that Chambers might call the conference unChristian just because it may not have the desired effect his Christian heart should hope for is ludicrous.
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Well I had to go a ways to find something that next applied to the conference in Uganda.  Unfortunately, Chambers didn&#039;t recognize it for the mote in his own eye:
&lt;blockquote&gt; I know Proverbs 6:16-19 by heart ...the most famous verse listing abominations:
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&quot;There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, &lt;strong&gt;feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Exodus, through Schmierer was quick to rush into his unrecognized evil with the false witness, Lively, and thus became guilty of stiring up dissension among the people of Uganda.   But does Chambers recognize these lapses in conscious behavior by the Exodus board member?  No, he&#039;s just happy he can pass it all away at the cross.   And then goes into a thing on Prop H8.
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No, I&#039;m sorry,  this is too little, way too late (examination should have occurred before the conference and Dr Throckmorton through this blog even gave them a chance at doing that) and perhaps too self-righteously given.   But even so, I am not the one or even among that group who should truly make that determination, they live in Uganda.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren you should close your last blockquote tag, somehow you missed a &#8220;&lt;/&#8221; at the front.<br />
I didn&#8217;t want to comment on Mr Chambers comments until I had read them all on his blog.   But I had trouble getting past that first sentence and the rest of that first paragraph has me worried at the start.   Phrasing such as:</p>
<blockquote><p>A <strong>recent hullabaloo over a conference</strong> in Uganda has had me thinking and praying about some things.  The <strong>conference centered on a conservative, presumably Christian, response to gay issues</strong> in that country.  In Uganda, homosexual behavior is punishable by imprisonment and there is talk of stiffening the penalties.  Several <strong>American gay activists and even some conservative Christians have raised a ruckus</strong> about the event and rightfully so.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m nitpicking, but it isn&#8217;t the &#8220;<em>hullabaloo</em>&#8221; that should have gotten Chambers thinking, it should have been the idea of the conference itself.   And what is this about a &#8220;<em>presumably Christian response</em>?&#8221;   Chambers&#8217;/Exodus&#8217; man Schmierer was there in Uganda supporting whatever response should come from the conference alongside his buddies, Lively and Brundidge.   This idea that Chambers might call the conference unChristian just because it may not have the desired effect his Christian heart should hope for is ludicrous.<br />
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Well I had to go a ways to find something that next applied to the conference in Uganda.  Unfortunately, Chambers didn&#8217;t recognize it for the mote in his own eye:</p>
<blockquote><p> I know Proverbs 6:16-19 by heart &#8230;the most famous verse listing abominations:<br />
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&#8220;There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, <strong>feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers</strong>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Exodus, through Schmierer was quick to rush into his unrecognized evil with the false witness, Lively, and thus became guilty of stiring up dissension among the people of Uganda.   But does Chambers recognize these lapses in conscious behavior by the Exodus board member?  No, he&#8217;s just happy he can pass it all away at the cross.   And then goes into a thing on Prop H8.<br />
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No, I&#8217;m sorry,  this is too little, way too late (examination should have occurred before the conference and Dr Throckmorton through this blog even gave them a chance at doing that) and perhaps too self-righteously given.   But even so, I am not the one or even among that group who should truly make that determination, they live in Uganda.<br />
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/20/alan-chambers/#comment-26986</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As much as I don&#039;t like his late response, I can understand the need to gather information before responding.   It is too bad that I feel Chambers is protecting something other first and not being vehement in denouncing a board members actions and words (even if that board member is not acting on behalf of EXODUS) I do take to heart what he wrote though I do wish his &quot;wisdom&quot; and foresight had been better earlier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I don&#8217;t like his late response, I can understand the need to gather information before responding.   It is too bad that I feel Chambers is protecting something other first and not being vehement in denouncing a board members actions and words (even if that board member is not acting on behalf of EXODUS) I do take to heart what he wrote though I do wish his &#8220;wisdom&#8221; and foresight had been better earlier.</p>
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