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	Comments on: Hate 2 hope: The story of Tim Zaal and Matthew Boger	</title>
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		By: David M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/16/hate-2-hope-the-story-of-tim-zaal-and-matthew-boger/#comment-26934&quot;&gt;Lori&lt;/a&gt;.

Aimable, the book is available through Amazon.com. A search there for the title brought up the book as the first result. Apparently the books is a fictionalized telling of Boger and Zaal&#039;s stories, with names changed and so on. I don&#039;t know how to order from Amazon in Rwanda, but perhaps you do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/16/hate-2-hope-the-story-of-tim-zaal-and-matthew-boger/#comment-26934">Lori</a>.</p>
<p>Aimable, the book is available through Amazon.com. A search there for the title brought up the book as the first result. Apparently the books is a fictionalized telling of Boger and Zaal&#8217;s stories, with names changed and so on. I don&#8217;t know how to order from Amazon in Rwanda, but perhaps you do.</p>
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		By: Aimable Mpayimana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aimable Mpayimana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2013 06:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/16/hate-2-hope-the-story-of-tim-zaal-and-matthew-boger/#comment-26934&quot;&gt;Lori&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks,I recently met Boger and Tim at the Museum of Tolerence.how can I have that book?
Aimable(writing from Rwanda)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/16/hate-2-hope-the-story-of-tim-zaal-and-matthew-boger/#comment-26934">Lori</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks,I recently met Boger and Tim at the Museum of Tolerence.how can I have that book?<br />
Aimable(writing from Rwanda)</p>
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		By: Asbel Garcia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asbel Garcia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This nearly had me in tears. It&#039;s sad how people can change but they don&#039;t make an effort to try.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This nearly had me in tears. It&#8217;s sad how people can change but they don&#8217;t make an effort to try.</p>
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		By: AmericanHistory XX		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AmericanHistory XX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim Zaal and Matthew Boger are both very lucky that Tim and the 12 other punk rockers did not kill anyone that night. And yes, like everyone else, he can be a jerk, even today. He is very &quot;lucky, honored, and Blessed&quot;  to have been given the opportunity to share this experience with others so that we can learn from the mistakes made and spare family members, &quot;and others,&quot; the pain and suffering that similar acts may cause.
Mr Zaal probably would not have gone to jail for very long because;
1. he was only 16 years old,.
2. there were no hate crime laws,
3. the L.A.P.D. often took part in similar activities, and had a reputation for violence against both the punk rockers and the gay community back in those days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Zaal and Matthew Boger are both very lucky that Tim and the 12 other punk rockers did not kill anyone that night. And yes, like everyone else, he can be a jerk, even today. He is very &#8220;lucky, honored, and Blessed&#8221;  to have been given the opportunity to share this experience with others so that we can learn from the mistakes made and spare family members, &#8220;and others,&#8221; the pain and suffering that similar acts may cause.<br />
Mr Zaal probably would not have gone to jail for very long because;<br />
1. he was only 16 years old,.<br />
2. there were no hate crime laws,<br />
3. the L.A.P.D. often took part in similar activities, and had a reputation for violence against both the punk rockers and the gay community back in those days.</p>
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		By: craig H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[craig H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 06:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS I&#039;d like to hear from Tim I hav not seen him since the early punkrock days.
If his brain is not too fryed out he will remember who I am from running around in claremont----I believe we had just got ahold of the first icons of flith Album
MEMory lane and I&#039;ve got some sick memories--Email me Tim I remember you too bad you went soo far off track.. Hope your clean and sober now I am. Craig]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS I&#8217;d like to hear from Tim I hav not seen him since the early punkrock days.<br />
If his brain is not too fryed out he will remember who I am from running around in claremont&#8212;-I believe we had just got ahold of the first icons of flith Album<br />
MEMory lane and I&#8217;ve got some sick memories&#8211;Email me Tim I remember you too bad you went soo far off track.. Hope your clean and sober now I am. Craig</p>
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		By: craig H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[craig H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 06:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew Tim when he was a drunk ---confused punk rock wanta be-- who didn&#039;t fit in anywhere and it&#039;s funny that he would jump on a gay guy because he tryed to pretend kiss me in glendora house party to impress some girl to see if he could get laid.....I also was there when he got his tooth kncked out in hollywood by a black dude at the cathay de grand. I&#039;m not sure if he kicked this gay dude or sliped him the tongue when no one was looking. He may of ran with some skins calling themselves   &quot;THE ORDER&quot; from  &quot;Glendora&quot;but that was only if he was buying the beer.
Tim was a confused drunk and drug addict more than anything else, he did anything that would get him loaded or laid GO TIM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Tim when he was a drunk &#8212;confused punk rock wanta be&#8211; who didn&#8217;t fit in anywhere and it&#8217;s funny that he would jump on a gay guy because he tryed to pretend kiss me in glendora house party to impress some girl to see if he could get laid&#8230;..I also was there when he got his tooth kncked out in hollywood by a black dude at the cathay de grand. I&#8217;m not sure if he kicked this gay dude or sliped him the tongue when no one was looking. He may of ran with some skins calling themselves   &#8220;THE ORDER&#8221; from  &#8220;Glendora&#8221;but that was only if he was buying the beer.<br />
Tim was a confused drunk and drug addict more than anything else, he did anything that would get him loaded or laid GO TIM</p>
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		By: Astrid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 18:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gemma, Tim did marry a woman that is true, but it was a woman that he had been molesting since she was about 14 years old. When he was in his 20s. He basically was molesting a young girl that he was taking advantage of. Not so heroic.
Also I have spoken to some people they know and apparently this whole story is a fraud, something that he and Matthew cooked up in order to have a story to tell. You do realize that they get paid to travel around to schools and tell this bs story dont you? That is the way he makes a living.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gemma, Tim did marry a woman that is true, but it was a woman that he had been molesting since she was about 14 years old. When he was in his 20s. He basically was molesting a young girl that he was taking advantage of. Not so heroic.<br />
Also I have spoken to some people they know and apparently this whole story is a fraud, something that he and Matthew cooked up in order to have a story to tell. You do realize that they get paid to travel around to schools and tell this bs story dont you? That is the way he makes a living.</p>
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		By: Gemma		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 00:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s wrong with Gary? Clearly Tim Zaal was a real skinhead. He&#039;s talked about experiences being a punk in the seventies that only someone who WAS a punk in the seventies would know about.
Oh, and he married a woman.
Beating the shit out of someone has nothing to do with attraction.
Gary, you are an ignorant jerk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with Gary? Clearly Tim Zaal was a real skinhead. He&#8217;s talked about experiences being a punk in the seventies that only someone who WAS a punk in the seventies would know about.<br />
Oh, and he married a woman.<br />
Beating the shit out of someone has nothing to do with attraction.<br />
Gary, you are an ignorant jerk.</p>
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		By: Astrid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 04:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Theoretically Zaal could have killed this guy that night. It appears he intended to kill him and that it was just dumb luck that he didnt. I dont see how he is any different than any other violent murderer. If things had been even slightly different he would be in jail serving a life sentence.  I think it is stupid how the victim and the rest of you all act like he is some hero when he is obviously just a lucky jerk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theoretically Zaal could have killed this guy that night. It appears he intended to kill him and that it was just dumb luck that he didnt. I dont see how he is any different than any other violent murderer. If things had been even slightly different he would be in jail serving a life sentence.  I think it is stupid how the victim and the rest of you all act like he is some hero when he is obviously just a lucky jerk.</p>
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		By: derek nicholson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[derek nicholson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dear mr boger please look foward to my letter in the mail i have gone through somthing similar to  what u have gone through please use my letter without names or please use facticus names tlive in torrance ca]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear mr boger please look foward to my letter in the mail i have gone through somthing similar to  what u have gone through please use my letter without names or please use facticus names tlive in torrance ca</p>
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