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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NOt only of the so called repentent - those repented may be intimidated into acts of violence against gays as well.    You know - to show how much they protest against homosexuality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOt only of the so called repentent &#8211; those repented may be intimidated into acts of violence against gays as well.    You know &#8211; to show how much they protest against homosexuality.</p>
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		By: Andy F.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like Dr. Throckmorton, I smell violence coming down the pike. This could turn ugly.
Already we have people who claim they have &quot;repented&quot; and will most certainly have to produce &quot;culprits&quot; to satisfy the public&#039;s hunger for info on this &quot;new threat&quot;.
They &lt;em&gt;knew&lt;/em&gt; they couldn&#039;t convince parents that there was a conspiracy afoot until they found a &quot;former conspirator&quot; to &quot;confess&quot; to some (rather broad and vague) &quot;recruiting activities&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Dr. Throckmorton, I smell violence coming down the pike. This could turn ugly.<br />
Already we have people who claim they have &#8220;repented&#8221; and will most certainly have to produce &#8220;culprits&#8221; to satisfy the public&#8217;s hunger for info on this &#8220;new threat&#8221;.<br />
They <em>knew</em> they couldn&#8217;t convince parents that there was a conspiracy afoot until they found a &#8220;former conspirator&#8221; to &#8220;confess&#8221; to some (rather broad and vague) &#8220;recruiting activities&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s something else I was reminded of...&lt;blockquote&gt;As if these violations of fairness were not enough, those fancying homosexuality run a large and growing ‘quasi-secret society’ to achieve their aims — aims often inimical to social order. Examples include the ‘shadow organization’ in the U.S. military, which provides illegal sexual contacts and career advantages to enlisted practitioners...&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something else I was reminded of&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>As if these violations of fairness were not enough, those fancying homosexuality run a large and growing ‘quasi-secret society’ to achieve their aims — aims often inimical to social order. Examples include the ‘shadow organization’ in the U.S. military, which provides illegal sexual contacts and career advantages to enlisted practitioners&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not unless they confess and incriminate others.&lt;blockquote&gt;The tough-talking men were accompanied by George Oundo, who earlier in the week denounced homosexuality and confessed recruiting school children into the practice.
“We have been involved in recruiting homosexuals, spreading the gospel of homosexuality, and we know the operations of homosexuals,” said 27-year-old Emma Matovu, who took to homosexuality 13 years ago. “We shall do all it takes to eliminate the practice in Uganda.”
Matovu, who said he abandoned the practice two weeks ago, asserted: “Homosexuality is dangerous and dehumanising but is growing fast in Uganda.”
He urged the Government and all concerned citizens to “wake up now before this abnormal practice is made to appear normal as the case has been in the West”.
Another former homosexual, Charles Asiimwe, said the practice had spread to government offices, churches, schools and hotels. “Many business moguls are involved,” Asiimwe said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh, it gets worse.&lt;blockquote&gt;A man shocked parents on Sunday when he confessed to recruiting school children into homosexuality as part of a programme to promote the practice in Ugandan schools.
George Oundo said funders gave them “much money” and training abroad and that he would target mostly the needy children who had problems of tuition and pocket money and “others who like outings.”
Oundo warned parents to know their children’s friends. Homosexuals, he added, were targeting mostly children “because they are easy to initiate and they like easy things”.
Oundo said he got seriously involved in promoting homosexuality in 2003. “I was taken to Nairobi for training,” he said. “I used to supply pornographic materials in form of books and compact discs showing homosexuality to young boys in many schools,” he explained.
The training, he said, was facilitated by Gay and Lesbian Coalition. “I also got the pupils’ telephone contacts. We used to meet with both girls and boys in schools during ceremonial parties,” he asserted.
He said he only stopped his activities after becoming a Born-again Christian. He told all this to about 50 parents attending a seminar at Hotel Triangle, Kampala on Sunday. It was organised by Family Life Network, a local charity which promotes family values.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What does this remind me of? Oh yes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,853631-1,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; from TIME magazine in 1949.&lt;blockquote&gt;First to come before the court was the Rev. Nikola Naumov, president of the Supreme Council of Bulgaria&#039;s United Evangelical Churches. He had always been known to his friends as a man of staunch convictions. &quot;I confess I am guilty,&quot; he said in a clear voice. &quot;I am sincerely sorry for what I have done.&quot; He remained on the stand for three hours. He said he had given military, economic and political information to foreign intelligence agents.
From time to time, his voice broke. Again &#038; again the tall (6 ft.), robust man broke into tears, wiping his face with his handkerchief. &quot;Believe me,&quot; he sobbed, &quot;I am ashamed to beg for mercy. Give me a chance to correct my errors . . . Never in Bulgaria&#039;s history was there so much religious freedom as now . . . Christians and Communists are two brothers who have bypassed each other, but they will find each other some day . . .&quot;
One of the things that contributed to his repentance, said Naumov, was American literature. &quot;When I read books describing the lives of Negroes in America and Upton Sinclair&#039;s King Coal on the sufferings of workers in America, I was depressed because the money taken from them by the capitalists was given to me.&quot;
On a question from the judge, Naumov denied that Bulgaria&#039;s state police had mistreated, beaten or &quot;burned&quot; him. Said he: &quot;I advise all waverers to go to the state security people for re-education.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t think this was a &quot;mistake&quot; by the Americans. I think they got exactly what they wanted, and exactly what they&#039;d want in the US too. God is on their side, you see, and at least some of them believe their own propaganda about the International Homosexual Conspiracy. Those I think are &quot;reality challenged&quot;, but at least I have some respect for them.
 The rest are just in it for the money, it&#039;s a guaranteed donation-earner. And in Uganda, it&#039;s a ticket to political power. &quot;The Enemy Within&quot; etc.
We&#039;ve seen it all before, haven&#039;t we? In Zmbabwe &quot;shadowy foreign powers&quot; and white farmers. In Uganda, &quot;shadowy foreign powers&quot; and gays. And pretty much everywhere, &quot;shadowy foreign powers&quot; and the Jews. The scapegoats may change, but the story&#039;s the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not unless they confess and incriminate others.</p>
<blockquote><p>The tough-talking men were accompanied by George Oundo, who earlier in the week denounced homosexuality and confessed recruiting school children into the practice.<br />
“We have been involved in recruiting homosexuals, spreading the gospel of homosexuality, and we know the operations of homosexuals,” said 27-year-old Emma Matovu, who took to homosexuality 13 years ago. “We shall do all it takes to eliminate the practice in Uganda.”<br />
Matovu, who said he abandoned the practice two weeks ago, asserted: “Homosexuality is dangerous and dehumanising but is growing fast in Uganda.”<br />
He urged the Government and all concerned citizens to “wake up now before this abnormal practice is made to appear normal as the case has been in the West”.<br />
Another former homosexual, Charles Asiimwe, said the practice had spread to government offices, churches, schools and hotels. “Many business moguls are involved,” Asiimwe said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, it gets worse.</p>
<blockquote><p>A man shocked parents on Sunday when he confessed to recruiting school children into homosexuality as part of a programme to promote the practice in Ugandan schools.<br />
George Oundo said funders gave them “much money” and training abroad and that he would target mostly the needy children who had problems of tuition and pocket money and “others who like outings.”<br />
Oundo warned parents to know their children’s friends. Homosexuals, he added, were targeting mostly children “because they are easy to initiate and they like easy things”.<br />
Oundo said he got seriously involved in promoting homosexuality in 2003. “I was taken to Nairobi for training,” he said. “I used to supply pornographic materials in form of books and compact discs showing homosexuality to young boys in many schools,” he explained.<br />
The training, he said, was facilitated by Gay and Lesbian Coalition. “I also got the pupils’ telephone contacts. We used to meet with both girls and boys in schools during ceremonial parties,” he asserted.<br />
He said he only stopped his activities after becoming a Born-again Christian. He told all this to about 50 parents attending a seminar at Hotel Triangle, Kampala on Sunday. It was organised by Family Life Network, a local charity which promotes family values.</p></blockquote>
<p>What does this remind me of? Oh yes, <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,853631-1,00.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> from TIME magazine in 1949.</p>
<blockquote><p>First to come before the court was the Rev. Nikola Naumov, president of the Supreme Council of Bulgaria&#8217;s United Evangelical Churches. He had always been known to his friends as a man of staunch convictions. &#8220;I confess I am guilty,&#8221; he said in a clear voice. &#8220;I am sincerely sorry for what I have done.&#8221; He remained on the stand for three hours. He said he had given military, economic and political information to foreign intelligence agents.<br />
From time to time, his voice broke. Again &amp; again the tall (6 ft.), robust man broke into tears, wiping his face with his handkerchief. &#8220;Believe me,&#8221; he sobbed, &#8220;I am ashamed to beg for mercy. Give me a chance to correct my errors . . . Never in Bulgaria&#8217;s history was there so much religious freedom as now . . . Christians and Communists are two brothers who have bypassed each other, but they will find each other some day . . .&#8221;<br />
One of the things that contributed to his repentance, said Naumov, was American literature. &#8220;When I read books describing the lives of Negroes in America and Upton Sinclair&#8217;s King Coal on the sufferings of workers in America, I was depressed because the money taken from them by the capitalists was given to me.&#8221;<br />
On a question from the judge, Naumov denied that Bulgaria&#8217;s state police had mistreated, beaten or &#8220;burned&#8221; him. Said he: &#8220;I advise all waverers to go to the state security people for re-education.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t think this was a &#8220;mistake&#8221; by the Americans. I think they got exactly what they wanted, and exactly what they&#8217;d want in the US too. God is on their side, you see, and at least some of them believe their own propaganda about the International Homosexual Conspiracy. Those I think are &#8220;reality challenged&#8221;, but at least I have some respect for them.<br />
 The rest are just in it for the money, it&#8217;s a guaranteed donation-earner. And in Uganda, it&#8217;s a ticket to political power. &#8220;The Enemy Within&#8221; etc.<br />
We&#8217;ve seen it all before, haven&#8217;t we? In Zmbabwe &#8220;shadowy foreign powers&#8221; and white farmers. In Uganda, &#8220;shadowy foreign powers&#8221; and gays. And pretty much everywhere, &#8220;shadowy foreign powers&#8221; and the Jews. The scapegoats may change, but the story&#8217;s the same.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am beginning to come to the thinking that when Brundidge and Schmierer went over there they likely had knowledge of Oundo and the other eight.   This whole thing has been orchestrated to incite Ugandans all over again.
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One wonders what &#039;recruitment&#039; means.  Money?  Money for sex with young people in schools??   If a law was broken then Oundo and the eight should be charged and convicted.  And yet  Langa and Ssempa seem to be only interested in parading them around claiming they did these supposed horrendous things with no worry about any prosecution by the civil authorities.  Oundo has said he is now a Christian and he did these things, but told parents that &#039;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;you should forgive me&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.&#039;
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Is that Oundo&#039;s plea  to fellow Christians to now lay off of him?  Does he expect a Christian &#039;get out of jail free&#039; card?   If Oundo and the others are these born-again Christian, thanks to Ssempa, that they claim, should they not be then confessing their transgressions to the civil authorities and taking their punishments?   If Langa and Ssempa being truthful they should have had them report to the police and not to a hall full of parents and reporters.
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Does being Christian ex-gay get automatically get you a dispensation from the laws of the land?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to come to the thinking that when Brundidge and Schmierer went over there they likely had knowledge of Oundo and the other eight.   This whole thing has been orchestrated to incite Ugandans all over again.<br />
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One wonders what &#8216;recruitment&#8217; means.  Money?  Money for sex with young people in schools??   If a law was broken then Oundo and the eight should be charged and convicted.  And yet  Langa and Ssempa seem to be only interested in parading them around claiming they did these supposed horrendous things with no worry about any prosecution by the civil authorities.  Oundo has said he is now a Christian and he did these things, but told parents that &#8216;<em><strong>you should forgive me</strong></em>.&#8217;<br />
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Is that Oundo&#8217;s plea  to fellow Christians to now lay off of him?  Does he expect a Christian &#8216;get out of jail free&#8217; card?   If Oundo and the others are these born-again Christian, thanks to Ssempa, that they claim, should they not be then confessing their transgressions to the civil authorities and taking their punishments?   If Langa and Ssempa being truthful they should have had them report to the police and not to a hall full of parents and reporters.<br />
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Does being Christian ex-gay get automatically get you a dispensation from the laws of the land?</p>
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