Comments on: More strict than God

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:21:14 +0000

And while we are at it, “history, personal testimony and your own experience” are all very poor foundations for any true moral/ethical system.
Personal testimony and personal experience won’t do, They are both entirely subjective. HIstory won’t do. Heck, slavery is historical! Rigid legalism, self-righteousness and Bible pounding won’t do. Look at the suffering those have wrought!
We need something much bigger and which requires a more strenuous and more soul-searching application of the human mind and spirit — maybe the Golden Rule, for example.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:20:05 +0000

Dave G: You said: "Because I am speaking from conviction, not from opinion." I call that a "distinction without a difference". A conviction, no matter no deeply held and how supported (or unsupported) by "history, by science, medicine, personal testimony and (your) own experience" is still your personal belief. Show a little humility, for God' sake. And regarding your claim that: "Boys molested by an older male are more prone toward homosexuality than those who have not been". I would like to see the studies upon which you are basing this belief (conviction). Once again, you are staing it as fact.

By: DAVE G

DAVE G — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:17:41 +0000

Michael, and Eddy:
–Because I am speaking from conviction, not from opinion. I don’t subscribe to the “infallible Bible” doctrine, but when what the Bible says is confirmed in history, by science, medicine, personal testimony and my own experience, I tend not to doubt that there’s something to it, and I form convictions to live by.
“Feelings”, like temptation, can be ignored and disregarded; they don’t drive my life. Yes, I have heard testimony that the feelings of sexual attraction have been extinguished –but it might be that they are merely a minor inkling similar to the attraction of an old geezer to a lovely young girl –certainly nothing to be acted upon.
Lynn:
Sex is a powerful drive, and a strong emotional experience. Boys molested by an older male are more prone toward homosexuality than those who have not been.
But the mental association needn’t be “sexual contact” –pornography, among other thought-stimulating sources, can arouse fantasies that lead toward seeking such sexual contact. The brain is our biggest sex organ, and homosexuality exists there rather than in the DNA.

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:42:16 +0000

Michael Bussee said… I find it troubling that you emphatically dec;are that “The Bible does not condemn a person for being attracted to another person; it does prohibit sexualizing that relationship.”
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What troubles me is not that you believe this, but that you state it as though it were undeniable fact.

If you are Roman Catholic it would be an “undeniable fact,” because it is written that way in the Catholic Catechism.
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And David G., I do not have any confusion as concerns the Bible, it simply is lacking in some wisdom as concerns human life. It is incomplete.
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I am somewhat confused about your psychological assessment and your idea that sexual contact creates the orientation and not the other way around. I do not consider that point of view to have any veracity.

By: Eddy

Eddy — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:30:44 +0000

And some homosexual individuals find a committed partner and find that their committment to their partner diminishes their attractions to others while others don’t.
And some gays and straights, despite their age, still feel they have a very strong sex-drive whether they are partnered or not.
So, until we get to know the individual, we really have little idea of what constitutes what we commonly call ‘their sex drive’. I don’t believe all the answers are in on that one.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:06:06 +0000

And David G: "Some (not all) former homosexuals claim that the sexual feelings toward same-sex individuals can indeed be extinguished." They may claim that the feelings can be extinguished, but I have never met a "former homosexual" who claims that they have been. Have you? And BTW, I have met some gays and ex-gays who say their sex drive has diminished over time. But, heck, many straights notice this very same thing as they age.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:59:59 +0000

Dave G: I find it troubling that you emphatically dec;are that "The Bible does not condemn a person for being attracted to another person; it does prohibit sexualizing that relationship." What troubles me is not that you believe this, but that you state it as though it were undeniable fact. Why is it that you, and others like you, rarely include the "I believe"? Or "It is my understanding that..."? What is lacking here is that sort of humilitry that admits "I may be wrong" or "The Bible is infallible, but I am not..."?

By: DAVE G

DAVE G — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:10:13 +0000

Lynn David,
–Confusion about the Bible, or about psychology?

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:54:42 +0000

No question, just confusion….

By: Eddy

Eddy — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:43:29 +0000

I would make the startling comment to 'gung ho' believers, "Wow, you're more righteous than Jesus." When they responded, I'd comment "Well, it sounds like you aren't even tempted by sin, yet the Bible says that He was."