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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is sad to say that. in generral, I find that those who claim to be&lt;em&gt; &quot;Bible-believing Christians&quot; &lt;/em&gt;and who hold that the Bible is &lt;em&gt;&quot;the infallible word of God&quot;&lt;/em&gt; are the &lt;em&gt;most &lt;/em&gt;guilty of &quot;cherry picking&quot;!
It seems top me that they tend to leave &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;themselves&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; out of the equation, and boldlly assert that &lt;em&gt;their &lt;/em&gt;understanding of Scripture is the one and only &lt;em&gt;correct &lt;/em&gt;way to look at these issues.
Can&#039;t we all admit that &quot;what we know now is only partial&quot; and will not be &quot;complete until we see HIm face to face&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad to say that. in generral, I find that those who claim to be<em> &#8220;Bible-believing Christians&#8221; </em>and who hold that the Bible is <em>&#8220;the infallible word of God&#8221;</em> are the <em>most </em>guilty of &#8220;cherry picking&#8221;!<br />
It seems top me that they tend to leave <strong><em>themselves</em></strong> out of the equation, and boldlly assert that <em>their </em>understanding of Scripture is the one and only <em>correct </em>way to look at these issues.<br />
Can&#8217;t we all admit that &#8220;what we know now is only partial&#8221; and will not be &#8220;complete until we see HIm face to face&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And now they&#039;ve descended into a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WitchHunt.&#062;&#060;/a&lt;blockquote&gt;Uganda: Eight Denounce Homosexuality
Moses Mulondo
25 March 2009
Kampala — EIGHT more men yesterday confessed involvement in
homosexuality and gay activities, which they said they had abandoned.
Speaking to journalists at the Grand Imperial Hotel in Kampala, the
youthful men described homosexuality as abnormal and anti-Christian,
and declared war against it.
The tough-talking men were accompanied by George Oundo, who earlier in
the week denounced homosexuality and &lt;strong&gt;confessed recruiting school
children into the practice.&lt;/strong&gt;
&quot;&lt;strong&gt;We have been involved in recruiting homosexuals, spreading the gospel of homosexuality, and we know the operations of homosexuals,&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; said 27-year-old Emma Matovu, who took to homosexuality 13 years ago. &quot;We shall do all it takes to eliminate the practice in Uganda.&quot;
Matovu, who said he abandoned the practice two weeks ago, asserted:
&quot;Homosexuality is dangerous and dehumanising but is growing fast in
Uganda.&quot;
He urged the Government and all concerned citizens to &quot;wake up now
before this abnormal practice is made to appear normal as the case has
been in the West&quot;.
Another former homosexual, Charles Asiimwe, said the practice had
spread to government offices, churches, schools and hotels. &quot;Many
business moguls are involved,&quot; Asiimwe said.
Oundo said the eight men would fight the vice because they were
victims with a tormenting experience.
&quot;We shall expose those who refuse to abandon the practice and we shall
not be intimidated because we are protected by Jesus,&quot; he asserted.
&quot;We know their operations, including a restaurant in the city centre
where homosexuals wait for clients from nearby hotels.&quot;
He urged his former partners to abandon the practice, saying Uganda
should become a role model in fighting the &quot;barbarism&quot;.
He called on Juliet Mukasa, the head of the Sexual Minorities in
Uganda (SMUG), Bishop Christopher Ssenyonjo, a gay rights activist and
headmaster Kisule (other name withheld) to abandon the practice.
SMUG brings together lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender and
intersex activists in Uganda.
Addressing the press conference, Family Life Network chief Stephen
Langa read a statement from parents and concerned citizens, urging the
Government to establish a probe to assess the prevalence of
homosexuality in Uganda.
&quot;We want a confidential platform to be provided for abused children to
speak out without being stigmatised,&quot; the parents suggested.
Langa said his group would move around the country convincing parents
to sign a petition to be handed to the President and Parliament on
April 7. He said the petition will demand urgent steps to be taken
against homosexuality in Uganda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now they&#8217;ve descended into a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials" rel="nofollow">WitchHunt.&gt;&lt;/a</p>
<blockquote><p>Uganda: Eight Denounce Homosexuality<br />
Moses Mulondo<br />
25 March 2009<br />
Kampala — EIGHT more men yesterday confessed involvement in<br />
homosexuality and gay activities, which they said they had abandoned.<br />
Speaking to journalists at the Grand Imperial Hotel in Kampala, the<br />
youthful men described homosexuality as abnormal and anti-Christian,<br />
and declared war against it.<br />
The tough-talking men were accompanied by George Oundo, who earlier in<br />
the week denounced homosexuality and <strong>confessed recruiting school<br />
children into the practice.</strong><br />
&#8220;<strong>We have been involved in recruiting homosexuals, spreading the gospel of homosexuality, and we know the operations of homosexuals,</strong>&#8221; said 27-year-old Emma Matovu, who took to homosexuality 13 years ago. &#8220;We shall do all it takes to eliminate the practice in Uganda.&#8221;<br />
Matovu, who said he abandoned the practice two weeks ago, asserted:<br />
&#8220;Homosexuality is dangerous and dehumanising but is growing fast in<br />
Uganda.&#8221;<br />
He urged the Government and all concerned citizens to &#8220;wake up now<br />
before this abnormal practice is made to appear normal as the case has<br />
been in the West&#8221;.<br />
Another former homosexual, Charles Asiimwe, said the practice had<br />
spread to government offices, churches, schools and hotels. &#8220;Many<br />
business moguls are involved,&#8221; Asiimwe said.<br />
Oundo said the eight men would fight the vice because they were<br />
victims with a tormenting experience.<br />
&#8220;We shall expose those who refuse to abandon the practice and we shall<br />
not be intimidated because we are protected by Jesus,&#8221; he asserted.<br />
&#8220;We know their operations, including a restaurant in the city centre<br />
where homosexuals wait for clients from nearby hotels.&#8221;<br />
He urged his former partners to abandon the practice, saying Uganda<br />
should become a role model in fighting the &#8220;barbarism&#8221;.<br />
He called on Juliet Mukasa, the head of the Sexual Minorities in<br />
Uganda (SMUG), Bishop Christopher Ssenyonjo, a gay rights activist and<br />
headmaster Kisule (other name withheld) to abandon the practice.<br />
SMUG brings together lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender and<br />
intersex activists in Uganda.<br />
Addressing the press conference, Family Life Network chief Stephen<br />
Langa read a statement from parents and concerned citizens, urging the<br />
Government to establish a probe to assess the prevalence of<br />
homosexuality in Uganda.<br />
&#8220;We want a confidential platform to be provided for abused children to<br />
speak out without being stigmatised,&#8221; the parents suggested.<br />
Langa said his group would move around the country convincing parents<br />
to sign a petition to be handed to the President and Parliament on<br />
April 7. He said the petition will demand urgent steps to be taken<br />
against homosexuality in Uganda.</p></blockquote>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/20/uganda-antigay-group-holds-first-meeting/#comment-26387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there any rational person who insists that no Biblical prohibition still applies?
It is which ones that is causing the bruhaha.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any rational person who insists that no Biblical prohibition still applies?<br />
It is which ones that is causing the bruhaha.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/20/uganda-antigay-group-holds-first-meeting/#comment-26386</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karen disdains &quot;cherry picking&quot;, but who doesn&#039;t do it -- herself included?  Is there realy any rational person who insists that every Biblical prohibition still applies?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen disdains &#8220;cherry picking&#8221;, but who doesn&#8217;t do it &#8212; herself included?  Is there realy any rational person who insists that every Biblical prohibition still applies?</p>
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		By: concerned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My take on this whole S and G story is that homosexuality was simply the symptom of a society that had become so corrupt that there was really nothing left to be saved and their rejection of the messengers was all it took for God wrath to come down upon them.    Before you all cast stones on me I just want to clarrify what I refer to as Gods wrath, the inability of a society to rebuild itself when destruction occurs simply because of its inner corruption and lack of compassion for all of its members.   Kind of reminds me of somewhere else I know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on this whole S and G story is that homosexuality was simply the symptom of a society that had become so corrupt that there was really nothing left to be saved and their rejection of the messengers was all it took for God wrath to come down upon them.    Before you all cast stones on me I just want to clarrify what I refer to as Gods wrath, the inability of a society to rebuild itself when destruction occurs simply because of its inner corruption and lack of compassion for all of its members.   Kind of reminds me of somewhere else I know.</p>
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		By: Karen Booth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Booth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David, I really don&#039;t want to argue the Sodom and Gomorrah story with you. I&#039;m mostly in agreement that it&#039;s often narrowly interpreted. (Much of Scripture is.) I simply think that leaving out the sexual ramifications, as you did, is just as narrow. And I&#039;m fairly certain that Satan laughs at critical exclusions as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I really don&#8217;t want to argue the Sodom and Gomorrah story with you. I&#8217;m mostly in agreement that it&#8217;s often narrowly interpreted. (Much of Scripture is.) I simply think that leaving out the sexual ramifications, as you did, is just as narrow. And I&#8217;m fairly certain that Satan laughs at critical exclusions as well.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Karen:
I know this verse is precious to you:
 &quot;Don&#039;t become so well-adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking.   Instead, fix your attention on God. You&#039;ll be changed from the inside out. Readily recognize what he wants from you, and quickly respond to it.  Unlike the culture around you, always dragging you down to its level of immaturity, God brings the best out of you, develops well-formed maturity in you.&quot;
 Romans:12:2-3  The Message
Fundamentalist teaching of S and G is part of our culture (taught from our pulpits for 300-500 years)...it is part of our culture.  It is a very immature view of S and G.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Karen:<br />
I know this verse is precious to you:<br />
 &#8220;Don&#8217;t become so well-adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking.   Instead, fix your attention on God. You&#8217;ll be changed from the inside out. Readily recognize what he wants from you, and quickly respond to it.  Unlike the culture around you, always dragging you down to its level of immaturity, God brings the best out of you, develops well-formed maturity in you.&#8221;<br />
 Romans:12:2-3  The Message<br />
Fundamentalist teaching of S and G is part of our culture (taught from our pulpits for 300-500 years)&#8230;it is part of our culture.  It is a very immature view of S and G.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/20/uganda-antigay-group-holds-first-meeting/#comment-26382</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Karen,
&quot;I also really resent your implication that those of us that exclusively support, defend and promote the male/female polarity in human sexual expression do so from a limited and narrow Biblical understanding. (Ditto to you, Ann.) That’s total bull.&quot;
I do not recognize my assertion in your above quote...you seem to have conflated my criticism of fundamentalism into a criticism of those who &quot;support, defend and promote male/female polarity in human sexual expression...&quot;
I think that is your &quot;bull&quot; in your perception of me.
To restate...a very narrow reading of S and G (excluding the idea of rape, for example), distorts the story of S and G into God exclusively criticizing homosexuality...
Why would a Christian Church so aware of its own unrighteousness before God, so simplify such global unrighteousness (in the S and G story, in context and with supplemental scriptures)?  Can&#039;t you see, Karen, how Satan laughs...when we constrict God&#039;s truth?
Can&#039;t you see the Christian admonition of the beam and the speck?
As I said before, God forgive us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karen,<br />
&#8220;I also really resent your implication that those of us that exclusively support, defend and promote the male/female polarity in human sexual expression do so from a limited and narrow Biblical understanding. (Ditto to you, Ann.) That’s total bull.&#8221;<br />
I do not recognize my assertion in your above quote&#8230;you seem to have conflated my criticism of fundamentalism into a criticism of those who &#8220;support, defend and promote male/female polarity in human sexual expression&#8230;&#8221;<br />
I think that is your &#8220;bull&#8221; in your perception of me.<br />
To restate&#8230;a very narrow reading of S and G (excluding the idea of rape, for example), distorts the story of S and G into God exclusively criticizing homosexuality&#8230;<br />
Why would a Christian Church so aware of its own unrighteousness before God, so simplify such global unrighteousness (in the S and G story, in context and with supplemental scriptures)?  Can&#8217;t you see, Karen, how Satan laughs&#8230;when we constrict God&#8217;s truth?<br />
Can&#8217;t you see the Christian admonition of the beam and the speck?<br />
As I said before, God forgive us all.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I also really resent your implication that those of us that exclusively support, defend and promote the male/female polarity in human sexual expression do so from a limited and narrow Biblical understanding. (Ditto to you, Ann.) That’s total bull. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Karen,
Can you please cite an example that supports your accusation of the accusation you just leveled at me?  Also, not sure what you mean by the word &quot;bull&quot; - is that a Christian term that I am not familiar with?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I also really resent your implication that those of us that exclusively support, defend and promote the male/female polarity in human sexual expression do so from a limited and narrow Biblical understanding. (Ditto to you, Ann.) That’s total bull. </p></blockquote>
<p>Karen,<br />
Can you please cite an example that supports your accusation of the accusation you just leveled at me?  Also, not sure what you mean by the word &#8220;bull&#8221; &#8211; is that a Christian term that I am not familiar with?</p>
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		By: Karen Booth		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/20/uganda-antigay-group-holds-first-meeting/#comment-26380</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Booth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David, I&#039;m not truncating the story; you are. I already acknowledged that there are a variety of reasons given in Scripture for Sodom and Gomorrah&#039;s destruction. You conveniently left out the sexual ones because it didn&#039;t suit your argument. That&#039;s called &quot;cherry picking,&quot; and in just about anybody&#039;s book it&#039;s recognized as proof-texting. You disdain &quot;fundamentalists&quot; for doing it, but apparently it&#039;s OK when you do. There&#039;s a name for that, too.
I also really resent your implication that those of us that exclusively support, defend and promote the male/female polarity in human sexual expression do so from a limited and narrow Biblical understanding. (Ditto to you, Ann.) That&#039;s total bull.
It&#039;s also total bull when applied to the African church leaders, many of whom are Oxford trained theologians. Your Western prejudices are showing again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I&#8217;m not truncating the story; you are. I already acknowledged that there are a variety of reasons given in Scripture for Sodom and Gomorrah&#8217;s destruction. You conveniently left out the sexual ones because it didn&#8217;t suit your argument. That&#8217;s called &#8220;cherry picking,&#8221; and in just about anybody&#8217;s book it&#8217;s recognized as proof-texting. You disdain &#8220;fundamentalists&#8221; for doing it, but apparently it&#8217;s OK when you do. There&#8217;s a name for that, too.<br />
I also really resent your implication that those of us that exclusively support, defend and promote the male/female polarity in human sexual expression do so from a limited and narrow Biblical understanding. (Ditto to you, Ann.) That&#8217;s total bull.<br />
It&#8217;s also total bull when applied to the African church leaders, many of whom are Oxford trained theologians. Your Western prejudices are showing again.</p>
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