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	Comments on: NARTH removes references to Scott Lively from website	</title>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Although Mr. Lively is an avid supporter of NARTH, that organization recently removed references to his work from their [...]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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Now, they should the same with Paul Cameron.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; Clean, house NARTH!
&lt;blockquote&gt;Exodus removed a link to Scott Lively’s article on the Pink Swastika. [...]&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Some time back, EXODUS also removed Cameron references from their website.
So both organizations did it with Lively..  They &lt;em&gt;can &lt;/em&gt;do it, though it often takes a bit of pushing.  So, why won&#039;t NARTH follow EXODUS&#039;s moral lead and dump references to Cameron ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Although Mr. Lively is an avid supporter of NARTH, that organization recently removed references to his work from their [&#8230;]</p></blockquote>
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Now, they should the same with Paul Cameron.</em></strong> Clean, house NARTH!</p>
<blockquote><p>Exodus removed a link to Scott Lively’s article on the Pink Swastika. [&#8230;]</p></blockquote>
<p>  Some time back, EXODUS also removed Cameron references from their website.<br />
So both organizations did it with Lively..  They <em>can </em>do it, though it often takes a bit of pushing.  So, why won&#8217;t NARTH follow EXODUS&#8217;s moral lead and dump references to Cameron ?</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ William,
Thank you for your anecdotal observations.  They are welcome, as are all others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ William,<br />
Thank you for your anecdotal observations.  They are welcome, as are all others.</p>
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		By: William Grady		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26364</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have no idea who Scott Lively is but I as someone who spent most of his adult life in the homosexual culture I can tell you he&#039;s about on the money from the quotes I just read.  Homosexuality brings disease and death.  Every homosexual I&#039;ve known well enough to know their background has a distant father and henpecking protective mother.  The only biological element I would concede is that of a sensitive temperment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea who Scott Lively is but I as someone who spent most of his adult life in the homosexual culture I can tell you he&#8217;s about on the money from the quotes I just read.  Homosexuality brings disease and death.  Every homosexual I&#8217;ve known well enough to know their background has a distant father and henpecking protective mother.  The only biological element I would concede is that of a sensitive temperment.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26363</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Michael,
Now for a really horrible thought:
You continue to improve Exodus through your criticism.
:).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael,<br />
Now for a really horrible thought:<br />
You continue to improve Exodus through your criticism.<br />
:).</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26362</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David, I hope you are right that &lt;em&gt;&quot;...starting Exodus was meant for good…and will return to good.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
One can only hope.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I hope you are right that <em>&#8220;&#8230;starting Exodus was meant for good…and will return to good.&#8221;</em><br />
One can only hope.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26361</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Michael,
Thanks, between banging my head against a wall, I try to find the mirror too.
I can&#039;t imagine the struggle you had trying to fit your behavior and feelings inside the box that fundamentalism created.
I believe that you starting Exodus was meant for good...and will return to good.
A lot of bad teaching out there both professionally and spiritually.
I wish you happiness and health.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael,<br />
Thanks, between banging my head against a wall, I try to find the mirror too.<br />
I can&#8217;t imagine the struggle you had trying to fit your behavior and feelings inside the box that fundamentalism created.<br />
I believe that you starting Exodus was meant for good&#8230;and will return to good.<br />
A lot of bad teaching out there both professionally and spiritually.<br />
I wish you happiness and health.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But neither did I accept the male/female only paradigm of coupling.&quot;
Certainly not trying to speak for everyone...&quot;coupling&quot; happens in many forms that are not sexual...
Trying to draw reasonable attention to the philosophical differences that drove some of the activism in the gay and lesbian community...and the irony of being labelled as haters by those who rejected our values.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But neither did I accept the male/female only paradigm of coupling.&#8221;<br />
Certainly not trying to speak for everyone&#8230;&#8221;coupling&#8221; happens in many forms that are not sexual&#8230;<br />
Trying to draw reasonable attention to the philosophical differences that drove some of the activism in the gay and lesbian community&#8230;and the irony of being labelled as haters by those who rejected our values.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26359</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think there may be more than one voice in the GLBT community.   Just like any other group.  I was once a lesbian and wanted marriage rights.  I did not reject traditional values as such nor promote sexual promiscuity.   But niether did I accept the male/female only paradigm of coupling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there may be more than one voice in the GLBT community.   Just like any other group.  I was once a lesbian and wanted marriage rights.  I did not reject traditional values as such nor promote sexual promiscuity.   But niether did I accept the male/female only paradigm of coupling.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/#comment-26358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Lynn David:
&quot;...sounding in places like Scott Lively.&quot;  Qualifier carefully included in original post.  He makes many other arguments against the tone and focus of gay rights activists (recently); arguments that are described as &quot;hateful&quot; if they come from non-gays.
Trying to make a point to listen to the arguments, consider and decide; regardless of who is making the argument.
@ Mary:
I am sure you are right, but the author acknowledges what we all also know, that some in the gay and lesbian community are openly skeptical and cynical about traditional values and that having heard that, it is a bit odd for some of us that they now clamour for the religious rites and responsibilities that they previously devalued.
This comment is not meant for all or most gays and lesbians, just a comment about deconstructionists and anti-traditionalists claiming outrage at being &quot;excluded&quot; when they openly rejected &quot;us&quot; and our &quot;puritanical values&quot; of sexual purity, monogomy and marriage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lynn David:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;sounding in places like Scott Lively.&#8221;  Qualifier carefully included in original post.  He makes many other arguments against the tone and focus of gay rights activists (recently); arguments that are described as &#8220;hateful&#8221; if they come from non-gays.<br />
Trying to make a point to listen to the arguments, consider and decide; regardless of who is making the argument.<br />
@ Mary:<br />
I am sure you are right, but the author acknowledges what we all also know, that some in the gay and lesbian community are openly skeptical and cynical about traditional values and that having heard that, it is a bit odd for some of us that they now clamour for the religious rites and responsibilities that they previously devalued.<br />
This comment is not meant for all or most gays and lesbians, just a comment about deconstructionists and anti-traditionalists claiming outrage at being &#8220;excluded&#8221; when they openly rejected &#8220;us&#8221; and our &#8220;puritanical values&#8221; of sexual purity, monogomy and marriage.</p>
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		By: concerned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lynn David,
    No issues just close observations after many years of lies and deception from people that I wanted to trust.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn David,<br />
    No issues just close observations after many years of lies and deception from people that I wanted to trust.</p>
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