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	Comments on: Brief post: Scott Lively on criminalization of homosexuality and compulsory therapy	</title>
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		By: Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scott lively is neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist.  For him to equate drunk driving (and his own drug addiction) as tantamount to homosexuality and thus &quot; it was during that period I accepted Christ and was spontaneously healed of alcoholism and drug addiction&quot; is not a retraction of his call for jailing (and even executing) homosexuals.  Everything he has written and said for the record flies in the face of serious psychological studies.  Every reputable and recognized group (from the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and so forth) have long noted that homosexuality is a trait born with the fetus&#039; entrance into this world (whether or not it is genetic or evolves during gestation in the uterus is not yet settled).  All the &quot;reparative therapy&quot; -- that no reputable counselor or psychologist or even therapist recognizes as legitimate -- will not &quot;cure&quot; what is basic within the psychology of the individual. Hitler tried that, and failed--murdering tens of thousands of LGBT people in the Third Reich.  As for Exodus International, many of its original founders have returned to a LGBT life style, while members of the clergy, like Ted Haggard and Roman Catholic Bishop Weakland of Wisconsin attempt to hide their own homosexuality but are eventually exposed as with Protestant Bishop Eddie of Georgia while paying off their boy-toys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott lively is neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist.  For him to equate drunk driving (and his own drug addiction) as tantamount to homosexuality and thus &#8221; it was during that period I accepted Christ and was spontaneously healed of alcoholism and drug addiction&#8221; is not a retraction of his call for jailing (and even executing) homosexuals.  Everything he has written and said for the record flies in the face of serious psychological studies.  Every reputable and recognized group (from the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and so forth) have long noted that homosexuality is a trait born with the fetus&#8217; entrance into this world (whether or not it is genetic or evolves during gestation in the uterus is not yet settled).  All the &#8220;reparative therapy&#8221; &#8212; that no reputable counselor or psychologist or even therapist recognizes as legitimate &#8212; will not &#8220;cure&#8221; what is basic within the psychology of the individual. Hitler tried that, and failed&#8211;murdering tens of thousands of LGBT people in the Third Reich.  As for Exodus International, many of its original founders have returned to a LGBT life style, while members of the clergy, like Ted Haggard and Roman Catholic Bishop Weakland of Wisconsin attempt to hide their own homosexuality but are eventually exposed as with Protestant Bishop Eddie of Georgia while paying off their boy-toys.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And EXODUS sent a rep!!!  Something we &quot;founders&quot; would have never,&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; ever &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;done.  Heck, we turned down requests from Anita Bryant and John Briggs -- and they look downright pro-gay by comparison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And EXODUS sent a rep!!!  Something we &#8220;founders&#8221; would have never,<strong><em> ever </em></strong>done.  Heck, we turned down requests from Anita Bryant and John Briggs &#8212; and they look downright pro-gay by comparison.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David G,
&quot;Conviction (not cognition) is a set of beliefs by which we live, make decisions, choose behaviors, and formulate our lives. This is similar to religion, which the state should neither promote, nor require (’establish’), though it is acquired through experiences in one’s interaction with the home environment, peer environment, school, media, and personal ‘experimentation.’&quot;
I think there is a stronger argument for tolerance and rights for GLBT in this argument than in the innate, biological argument that also uses the racial minority arguement.
GLBT is an identity, wrapped in sensations and experiences and convictions about what works and what is best for them...much like religion.
It may be that religious belief and practice has a genetic component...but we have not argued tolerance and rights based upon that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David G,<br />
&#8220;Conviction (not cognition) is a set of beliefs by which we live, make decisions, choose behaviors, and formulate our lives. This is similar to religion, which the state should neither promote, nor require (’establish’), though it is acquired through experiences in one’s interaction with the home environment, peer environment, school, media, and personal ‘experimentation.’&#8221;<br />
I think there is a stronger argument for tolerance and rights for GLBT in this argument than in the innate, biological argument that also uses the racial minority arguement.<br />
GLBT is an identity, wrapped in sensations and experiences and convictions about what works and what is best for them&#8230;much like religion.<br />
It may be that religious belief and practice has a genetic component&#8230;but we have not argued tolerance and rights based upon that.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is a very good idea.    He is basically promoting unAmerican ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very good idea.    He is basically promoting unAmerican ideas.</p>
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		By: Hunter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone should write to the US State Department and US Department of Homeland Security Office of Investigations to demand a full inquiry into Scott Lively&#039;s overseas activities, which include inciting violence and persecution against people in Uganda, other African countries, and the former Soviet countries, based on sexual orientation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should write to the US State Department and US Department of Homeland Security Office of Investigations to demand a full inquiry into Scott Lively&#8217;s overseas activities, which include inciting violence and persecution against people in Uganda, other African countries, and the former Soviet countries, based on sexual orientation.</p>
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