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	Comments on: Frisch &#038; Hviid and reparative drive theory revisited	</title>
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		By: Fg68at		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have the one and ultimative answer: We must destroy the cities, then we have less homosexuals. ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the one and ultimative answer: We must destroy the cities, then we have less homosexuals. 😉</p>
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		By: Fg68at		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In a smaller country like Denmark, it seems that gay people in the rural areas might just move to the city where attitudes are more accepting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is also fact in big countries like USA. Here a survivey whith praevalence and factor residence place: &lt;a href=&quot;http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Fg68at/Baustelle/Prävalenz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stuart Michaels 1996&lt;/a&gt; Table &quot;Wohnort&quot; = &quot;place of residence&quot;, &quot;Vorort&quot; =  &quot;suburb&quot;, CC = Central Cities, biggest metropolitan areas, &quot;Nächste 88 CC&quot; = &quot;next 88 CC&quot;
There is also a little study from a country youth organisation around Berlin. And a residence study in Vienna (wich place in the city, gay neighborhood) where overproportional people are born in rural areas.
The Causes are different. Some move to a big city before coming out, because they feeling not right in the social tightness of a small town. But it is only one factor to move. It makes it more likely  to move. The primary causes are mostly better worklplace, etc.
And same sex partnership is not prevalence of homosexuality. I think you will find also more homosexuals in traditional marriages in urban areas.
For Trayce Hansen from NARTH this study is an evidence that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.narth.com/docs/legalizing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Legalizing Same-Sex Marriage Will Increase Prevalence of Homosexuality&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a smaller country like Denmark, it seems that gay people in the rural areas might just move to the city where attitudes are more accepting.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is also fact in big countries like USA. Here a survivey whith praevalence and factor residence place: <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Fg68at/Baustelle/Prävalenz" rel="nofollow">Stuart Michaels 1996</a> Table &#8220;Wohnort&#8221; = &#8220;place of residence&#8221;, &#8220;Vorort&#8221; =  &#8220;suburb&#8221;, CC = Central Cities, biggest metropolitan areas, &#8220;Nächste 88 CC&#8221; = &#8220;next 88 CC&#8221;<br />
There is also a little study from a country youth organisation around Berlin. And a residence study in Vienna (wich place in the city, gay neighborhood) where overproportional people are born in rural areas.<br />
The Causes are different. Some move to a big city before coming out, because they feeling not right in the social tightness of a small town. But it is only one factor to move. It makes it more likely  to move. The primary causes are mostly better worklplace, etc.<br />
And same sex partnership is not prevalence of homosexuality. I think you will find also more homosexuals in traditional marriages in urban areas.<br />
For Trayce Hansen from NARTH this study is an evidence that <a href="http://www.narth.com/docs/legalizing.html" rel="nofollow">Legalizing Same-Sex Marriage Will Increase Prevalence of Homosexuality</a>.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy - I realize the difference but Nicolosi and others at NARTH will use anything if it helps fit the general idea. And if the theory is correct, it really doesn&#039;t matter why the boy stays identified with mom just that he does. If he has no father to pull him out of the purported symbiotic relationship with mom, then how does it happen? The truth is there is a natural process that happens whether dad is there or he isn&#039;t. The content of the child&#039;s character, his impulse control and aggression is influenced by dad but there is no evidence that his sexual wiring is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy &#8211; I realize the difference but Nicolosi and others at NARTH will use anything if it helps fit the general idea. And if the theory is correct, it really doesn&#8217;t matter why the boy stays identified with mom just that he does. If he has no father to pull him out of the purported symbiotic relationship with mom, then how does it happen? The truth is there is a natural process that happens whether dad is there or he isn&#8217;t. The content of the child&#8217;s character, his impulse control and aggression is influenced by dad but there is no evidence that his sexual wiring is.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a slight increase in odds of homosexual marriage for men if one’s mother was over 35 at birth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I bet if I googled for even 5 minutes I&#039;d find that 100 different health problems go up for children of older moms.
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One of the first developmental markers scientists check for is handedness.  Do older moms have more left handed children?
Lefties more likely from older moms, study says
Check!  For those who don&#039;t know an increase in left handedness is a sign of misdevelopment.  For example half of all premature babies are lefties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a slight increase in odds of homosexual marriage for men if one’s mother was over 35 at birth.</p></blockquote>
<p>I bet if I googled for even 5 minutes I&#8217;d find that 100 different health problems go up for children of older moms.<br />
&#8212;<br />
One of the first developmental markers scientists check for is handedness.  Do older moms have more left handed children?<br />
Lefties more likely from older moms, study says<br />
Check!  For those who don&#8217;t know an increase in left handedness is a sign of misdevelopment.  For example half of all premature babies are lefties.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I find myself in the unusual position of qualifying Morten’s conclusions. I think there is a need to qualify the factors by the non-significant results found. For instance, Morten lists father absence as a factor related to gay marriage. However, I would note that paternal absence via death was unrelated to outcome as was lack of knowledge of father’s identity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
When the father relationship plays into the picture, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s absence as in death, divorce, military service, etc.  I think it&#039;s more of a message that a child perceives from a father who is present.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I find myself in the unusual position of qualifying Morten’s conclusions. I think there is a need to qualify the factors by the non-significant results found. For instance, Morten lists father absence as a factor related to gay marriage. However, I would note that paternal absence via death was unrelated to outcome as was lack of knowledge of father’s identity.</p></blockquote>
<p>When the father relationship plays into the picture, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s absence as in death, divorce, military service, etc.  I think it&#8217;s more of a message that a child perceives from a father who is present.</p>
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