Comments on: Oprah Winfrey discusses sexual identity with Ted & Gayle Haggard

By: Ann

Ann — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:48:47 +0000

I am aware of individuals having sex with people they are not attached to in any way or want to be attached to in any way – the sex satiates a temporary impulse and then is not thought about in any kind of positive way afterward, sometimes causing self loathing or repulsion. I am not sure if this is what happened to Ted Haggard but it is a possibility.

By: Mary

Mary — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:30:11 +0000

It would benefit everyone.

By: PianoManKugie

PianoManKugie — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:02:22 +0000

I had not considered that the X might even be being considered to be added (sorry, bad english). Imagine…two supposedly opposing sides having more in common than not! Both sides would be leading by example together that diversity works both ways. It would be fascinating to see how it would all work out. What would gay acceptance of so called ex-gays do for greater straight acceptance of gays, if anything at all? Could it possibly be in a gay person’s best self interest to accept ex-gays? Hmmmm……..

By: Mary

Mary — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:33:33 +0000

Funny thing is outside of this forum I don’t refer to myself as ex gay. I am just Mary who used to be gay and now isn’t. Most people get that. Gays do not. I think my very liberal mom is even beginning to get that idea. My straight friends wonder if I could ever be with a woman again and I always say “Well – yeah under the right circumstances I suppose.” But they get the idea that that part of my life is over. It is what it is or was and now things are different. I do think it is different for women than men.
The courtesy of the gay community only extends so far as you share the exact same beliefs as do they. Sort of like the conservative christian world of yester year. Same monster – different name. You know how the finger wagging looks. Only the gays are wagging their fingers at us and saying “You’re still one of us!: Like they won’t let us go or something. I’d like to join the group and all, but they need to add the X.

By: Eddy

Eddy — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:37:57 +0000

Carole, Mary–
Good points by both of you. But, of course I’d say that, since I agree. LOL. I wasn’t rying to start a debate about what we call it here…I was trying to show the emptiness of past assertions :”You know, if only they wouldn’t call themselves ex-gay and mislead people. If only they weren’t political. If only they simply wanted to live their life as they believed without cramming it down peoples’ throats…then I’d have no trouble with them.” So here’s Ted rejecting the label. Humbled and crushed not on any political warpath. Not being over assertive at all…just wants to figure out the best way to live his life. LOL. But do people have ‘no trouble’ with that as they asserted previously? Far from it.
Ted rejects labels but that’s okay, Jayhuck has one for him. (If you take the label ‘ex-gay’, they are against you…but, if you don’t take it, they have one of their own design ready for you.)
LOL. Good luck with that ‘X”‘ on the end of GLBT. I dreamed of that possibility back some 30 years ago. I was actually referring people who didn’t share my beliefs to the local MCC or Wingspan but then I learned, that even when they had a client who believed essentially as we did, they did not extend the same courtesy. Not only would they not refer but they’d discourage people who had heard about us and wanted to check us out.