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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Warren&lt;/strong&gt; (or anyone interested)
Brilliant Peter Schiff commentary from the Wall Street Journal
&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123033898448336541.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There&#039;s No Pain-Free Cure for Recession&lt;/a&gt;
My favorite paragraph
&lt;blockquote&gt;Governments cannot create but merely redirect. When the government spends, the money has to come from somewhere. If the government doesn&#039;t have a surplus, then it must come from taxes. If taxes don&#039;t go up, then it must come from increased borrowing. If lenders won&#039;t lend, then it must come from the printing press, which is where all these bailouts are headed. But each additional dollar printed diminishes the value those already in circulation. Something cannot be effortlessly created from nothing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Warren</strong> (or anyone interested)<br />
Brilliant Peter Schiff commentary from the Wall Street Journal<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123033898448336541.html" rel="nofollow">There&#8217;s No Pain-Free Cure for Recession</a><br />
My favorite paragraph</p>
<blockquote><p>Governments cannot create but merely redirect. When the government spends, the money has to come from somewhere. If the government doesn&#8217;t have a surplus, then it must come from taxes. If taxes don&#8217;t go up, then it must come from increased borrowing. If lenders won&#8217;t lend, then it must come from the printing press, which is where all these bailouts are headed. But each additional dollar printed diminishes the value those already in circulation. Something cannot be effortlessly created from nothing.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/19/friday-open-forum-auto-bailout-blagojevich-minnesota-senate-race-etc/#comment-24555&quot;&gt;Eddy&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Eddy&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve always been perplexed by messages saying ‘you must save for the future’ that are immediately followed by ’spend like there’s no tomorrow’.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The government punishes savers in 2 ways.
&lt;strong&gt;1)&lt;/strong&gt; The Fed keeps interest rates artificially low.  Borrowers love low interest rates, but they are a scourge for savers.  The lower interest rates are, the lower the interest rate savers get for putting money in banks.
&lt;strong&gt;2) &lt;/strong&gt;Government taxes savings when they should encourage it.  Whatever meager interest people earn gets chopped even further by income tax.
Once you account for inflation savers actually lose money.  The Government knows this is bad for the country but in the short term they&#039;d rather have us spend our money down at the mall.
Whelp... the borrow/spend economy finally melted down.  Despite their best inflationary efforts I doubt they can revive it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/19/friday-open-forum-auto-bailout-blagojevich-minnesota-senate-race-etc/#comment-24555">Eddy</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Eddy</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve always been perplexed by messages saying ‘you must save for the future’ that are immediately followed by ’spend like there’s no tomorrow’.</p></blockquote>
<p>The government punishes savers in 2 ways.<br />
<strong>1)</strong> The Fed keeps interest rates artificially low.  Borrowers love low interest rates, but they are a scourge for savers.  The lower interest rates are, the lower the interest rate savers get for putting money in banks.<br />
<strong>2) </strong>Government taxes savings when they should encourage it.  Whatever meager interest people earn gets chopped even further by income tax.<br />
Once you account for inflation savers actually lose money.  The Government knows this is bad for the country but in the short term they&#8217;d rather have us spend our money down at the mall.<br />
Whelp&#8230; the borrow/spend economy finally melted down.  Despite their best inflationary efforts I doubt they can revive it.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most of our economy seems based on people spending more than what they have. I&#039;ve always been perplexed by messages saying &#039;you must save for the future&#039; that are immediately followed by &#039;spend like there&#039;s no tomorrow&#039;. Savings as we know them today are more akin to gambling than to actual saving. We put our money on &#039;a few good horses&#039; (stocks) and bank on a payoff. If we get the big payoff, all is right with the world but, if we lose (as many have) we&#039;ve simply lost...there&#039;s no guaranteed recovery.
It&#039;s been easy to forget those poor unfortunates who have lost.  But now that the losing has increased exponentially...now that it&#039;s threatening the wherewithal of major corporations &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; our national economy, now the concern has hit home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of our economy seems based on people spending more than what they have. I&#8217;ve always been perplexed by messages saying &#8216;you must save for the future&#8217; that are immediately followed by &#8216;spend like there&#8217;s no tomorrow&#8217;. Savings as we know them today are more akin to gambling than to actual saving. We put our money on &#8216;a few good horses&#8217; (stocks) and bank on a payoff. If we get the big payoff, all is right with the world but, if we lose (as many have) we&#8217;ve simply lost&#8230;there&#8217;s no guaranteed recovery.<br />
It&#8217;s been easy to forget those poor unfortunates who have lost.  But now that the losing has increased exponentially&#8230;now that it&#8217;s threatening the wherewithal of major corporations <em>and</em> our national economy, now the concern has hit home.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim Rogers: &#039;Getting out of U.S. dollars&#039; (2:49) (12.15.08)
(the dollar) &quot;...it&#039;s terribly flawed, maybe even a doomed currency.&quot;
This is the nightmare scenario.  If the government prints trillions to save jobs but instead destroys the Dollar through inflation our economy will melt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Rogers: &#8216;Getting out of U.S. dollars&#8217; (2:49) (12.15.08)<br />
(the dollar) &#8220;&#8230;it&#8217;s terribly flawed, maybe even a doomed currency.&#8221;<br />
This is the nightmare scenario.  If the government prints trillions to save jobs but instead destroys the Dollar through inflation our economy will melt.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Jayhuck&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;the Republican congress and president aren’t and weren’t responsible people&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Believe me, the Democrats aren&#039;t even 1% better.  Since the late 1980s the USA has been on a collision course with this meltdown.  We borrow and spend way too much and our economy finally blew up.  It is going to take years, maybe even a decade to dig ourselves out of this mess.  If we inadvertantly destroy the Dollar we are pretty much finished.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jayhuck</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>the Republican congress and president aren’t and weren’t responsible people</p></blockquote>
<p>Believe me, the Democrats aren&#8217;t even 1% better.  Since the late 1980s the USA has been on a collision course with this meltdown.  We borrow and spend way too much and our economy finally blew up.  It is going to take years, maybe even a decade to dig ourselves out of this mess.  If we inadvertantly destroy the Dollar we are pretty much finished.</p>
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