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	Comments on: Gay leaders angry over inaugural invocation by Rick Warren	</title>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Jayhuck,
your justifications for gay marriage can be made for open marriage and polygamy as well a adult-child marriage...and for easy divorce.
Using your rationale, I could say, &quot;traditionalists will not go away, so you may as well give into their assertions...&quot;
Not going away or acceding an existing standard just because it is there would undermine the argument for gay marriage 20 years ago.
Change is incremental...whether you are for gay marriage or against it....whether you are for easy divorce or against it.
Your beliefs and passions are real, your logic, faulty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jayhuck,<br />
your justifications for gay marriage can be made for open marriage and polygamy as well a adult-child marriage&#8230;and for easy divorce.<br />
Using your rationale, I could say, &#8220;traditionalists will not go away, so you may as well give into their assertions&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Not going away or acceding an existing standard just because it is there would undermine the argument for gay marriage 20 years ago.<br />
Change is incremental&#8230;whether you are for gay marriage or against it&#8230;.whether you are for easy divorce or against it.<br />
Your beliefs and passions are real, your logic, faulty.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann asked me once if Rick Warren had to do anything.  Frankly, I would hope he had a better grasp of reality, but I did not nor do not expect him to do anything.  He can be as discriminatory as he wants in his religion.
But recently this page:
http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/membership/group_finder/faqs_smallgroup.asp?id=7509
Where it was stated (in part):
&lt;blockquote&gt;Because membership in a church is an outgrowth of accepting the Lordship and leadership of Jesus in one’s life, someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. That does not mean they cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Was evidently removed from the saddlebackfamily.com website.   It now defaults to this page, on which nothing concerning homosexuality is said nor possibly linked to:
http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/home/whatwebelieve/index.html
One is led to wonder why, is Warren in some way ashamed of what his religion demands?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann asked me once if Rick Warren had to do anything.  Frankly, I would hope he had a better grasp of reality, but I did not nor do not expect him to do anything.  He can be as discriminatory as he wants in his religion.<br />
But recently this page:<br />
<a href="http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/membership/group_finder/faqs_smallgroup.asp?id=7509" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/membership/group_finder/faqs_smallgroup.asp?id=7509</a><br />
Where it was stated (in part):</p>
<blockquote><p>Because membership in a church is an outgrowth of accepting the Lordship and leadership of Jesus in one’s life, someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. That does not mean they cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.</p></blockquote>
<p>Was evidently removed from the saddlebackfamily.com website.   It now defaults to this page, on which nothing concerning homosexuality is said nor possibly linked to:<br />
<a href="http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/home/whatwebelieve/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/home/whatwebelieve/index.html</a><br />
One is led to wonder why, is Warren in some way ashamed of what his religion demands?</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/17/gay-leaders-angry-over-inaugural-invocation-by-rick-warren/#comment-24541</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then what?
You have shown time and time again an unwillingness to engage others when they confront you on your inconsistent reasoning.  And then you whine and *sigh* when they bounce you off a subject because you have tried to derail it with your insistence to take subjects and people out of context.
Don&#039;t you want people to take you seriously.   Don&#039;t you want to insist that all people with SSA are gay and should leave their wives and families???  Because that is allyou seem to do.   And you NEVER provide documentation just whining and sighing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then what?<br />
You have shown time and time again an unwillingness to engage others when they confront you on your inconsistent reasoning.  And then you whine and *sigh* when they bounce you off a subject because you have tried to derail it with your insistence to take subjects and people out of context.<br />
Don&#8217;t you want people to take you seriously.   Don&#8217;t you want to insist that all people with SSA are gay and should leave their wives and families???  Because that is allyou seem to do.   And you NEVER provide documentation just whining and sighing.</p>
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		By: Jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL - I&#039;m not scared Mary! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; I&#8217;m not scared Mary! 🙂</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/17/gay-leaders-angry-over-inaugural-invocation-by-rick-warren/#comment-24539</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And once again - no answer from Jayhuck.
Jayhuck, what makes you scared to answer??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And once again &#8211; no answer from Jayhuck.<br />
Jayhuck, what makes you scared to answer??</p>
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