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		By: carole		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t seem to post on another thread no matter how hard I try so this is just a test to see if this goes through.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t seem to post on another thread no matter how hard I try so this is just a test to see if this goes through.</p>
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		By: Jason P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Throckmorton - did this study get any publicity? I did not see anything about it. It seems like it would be hard to explain for those who believe the father-son relationship is at root for SSA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Throckmorton &#8211; did this study get any publicity? I did not see anything about it. It seems like it would be hard to explain for those who believe the father-son relationship is at root for SSA.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Carole&lt;/strong&gt;
I looooooove the fat germ story.  I wonder if the extra fat cells that the virus triggers us to produce are food or shelter for it in some way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Carole</strong><br />
I looooooove the fat germ story.  I wonder if the extra fat cells that the virus triggers us to produce are food or shelter for it in some way.</p>
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		By: carole		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No doubt most of you have heard today about the findings that a  certain adenovirus (one of many such respiratory viruses) causes fat cells to multiply.  If not, consult any of your local newspapers or turn on the tv!  Actually, this finding has been out there for some months,  but only today is getting big press. Yes, one reason, but only one, some people are fat is that they have contracted a virus that causes an increase in fat cells.
One of the networks interviewed their medical specialist who pointed out that the discovery of how the virus does what it does resulted from their studies of a girl with diabetes.  Furthermore, researchers studied why one member of an identical twin pair was fat while another was thin, and that also led them to the virus.
Just a reminder about  omnipresent pathogens and what they can do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt most of you have heard today about the findings that a  certain adenovirus (one of many such respiratory viruses) causes fat cells to multiply.  If not, consult any of your local newspapers or turn on the tv!  Actually, this finding has been out there for some months,  but only today is getting big press. Yes, one reason, but only one, some people are fat is that they have contracted a virus that causes an increase in fat cells.<br />
One of the networks interviewed their medical specialist who pointed out that the discovery of how the virus does what it does resulted from their studies of a girl with diabetes.  Furthermore, researchers studied why one member of an identical twin pair was fat while another was thin, and that also led them to the virus.<br />
Just a reminder about  omnipresent pathogens and what they can do.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24126&quot;&gt;carole&lt;/a&gt;.

Ya know at this point I don&#039;t know what&#039;s coming out next month.  I know a genetics study is due out in very early 2009 but beyond that... EEEEeeeeeeeee.
As for the gibberish from Lyn Sher I can only imagine how bad it&#039;s going to get if they find so much as a weak correlation.  Genes probably correlate with everything including all of the things that have nothing to do with genetics.  Cochran&#039;s Leprosy and TB examples comes to mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24126">carole</a>.</p>
<p>Ya know at this point I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s coming out next month.  I know a genetics study is due out in very early 2009 but beyond that&#8230; EEEEeeeeeeeee.<br />
As for the gibberish from Lyn Sher I can only imagine how bad it&#8217;s going to get if they find so much as a weak correlation.  Genes probably correlate with everything including all of the things that have nothing to do with genetics.  Cochran&#8217;s Leprosy and TB examples comes to mind.</p>
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		By: carole		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Drowssap said,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Next month Bailey is going to release his genetics study. You can bet if they found even the slightest correlation with SSA and a particular gene the media is going to have a field day. We’ll have to endure months of gay gene silliness before it all &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Where&#039;d you hear this, that it&#039;s going to be released next month?
I keep thinking back to that horrid, inarticulate Lyn Sher report on the study.  From what she said, one would have thought that Sanders told her they had found a connection, a link, but she was only able to say &quot;it&#039;s very complex&quot; and smile, happy to &quot;know&quot; that it was &quot;genetic.&quot;
 Now, as I said before, she was so inarticulate, so unable to explain what the team had found &quot;so far&quot; that I couldn&#039;t determine if she herself had reached her own conclusions, if she was incapable of understanding what they had shared with her or if they had actually shared anything with her other than their belief that there was indeed a biological component to SSA.  I have a feeling she  had confused &quot;genetic&quot; with &quot;biological&quot;  but who knows.? Her report was useless.  I know that &quot;complex&quot; is usually a term used when no firm connection has been established.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drowssap said,</p>
<blockquote><p>Next month Bailey is going to release his genetics study. You can bet if they found even the slightest correlation with SSA and a particular gene the media is going to have a field day. We’ll have to endure months of gay gene silliness before it all </p></blockquote>
<p>Where&#8217;d you hear this, that it&#8217;s going to be released next month?<br />
I keep thinking back to that horrid, inarticulate Lyn Sher report on the study.  From what she said, one would have thought that Sanders told her they had found a connection, a link, but she was only able to say &#8220;it&#8217;s very complex&#8221; and smile, happy to &#8220;know&#8221; that it was &#8220;genetic.&#8221;<br />
 Now, as I said before, she was so inarticulate, so unable to explain what the team had found &#8220;so far&#8221; that I couldn&#8217;t determine if she herself had reached her own conclusions, if she was incapable of understanding what they had shared with her or if they had actually shared anything with her other than their belief that there was indeed a biological component to SSA.  I have a feeling she  had confused &#8220;genetic&#8221; with &#8220;biological&#8221;  but who knows.? Her report was useless.  I know that &#8220;complex&#8221; is usually a term used when no firm connection has been established.</p>
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		By: Patrick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24120&quot;&gt;carole&lt;/a&gt;.

You mean all this moisturizer and couture clothes I wear isn&#039;t going to attract the women - ah darn it :)
Seriously though I wonder how many women are attracted to metrosexual men.  I suspect there is more to this movement than marketing.  I suspect most women would prefer a well groomed man to one that is - well - a slob.  How far the balance between the two extremes is - I couldn&#039;t say.
It is interesting that in subcultures of the gay community (specifically Bears and the Leather community) - the gay metrosexual look is shunned - rather harshly.  I like the bears, I really do (ie my partner is a bear) - but sometimes I think they go out of there way to look like plumbers :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24120">carole</a>.</p>
<p>You mean all this moisturizer and couture clothes I wear isn&#8217;t going to attract the women &#8211; ah darn it 🙂<br />
Seriously though I wonder how many women are attracted to metrosexual men.  I suspect there is more to this movement than marketing.  I suspect most women would prefer a well groomed man to one that is &#8211; well &#8211; a slob.  How far the balance between the two extremes is &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t say.<br />
It is interesting that in subcultures of the gay community (specifically Bears and the Leather community) &#8211; the gay metrosexual look is shunned &#8211; rather harshly.  I like the bears, I really do (ie my partner is a bear) &#8211; but sometimes I think they go out of there way to look like plumbers 🙂</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24117&quot;&gt;carole&lt;/a&gt;.

Carole,
Your second post was closer to what I was trying to communicate.
Of course, there are cultures which dictate homosexuality and that is one conversation.  Then there is the culture that is interpreted by the sensitive individual who almost abhors the idea of the sexuality, sexual roles, etc.. that are the norm.   For example, there are girls growing up today whom I know are in lesbian relationships - GIRLS - not women.  And many will respond with the... I just don&#039;t want it .... mentality when it comes to the sexuality of boys and men and how it is in their schools, on tv etc... In case anyone has not noticed we are inundated with sex.   And so their response has been to be with a girl friend.  I wonder how this culture facilitates that option and how these girls will respond later in life - when they have more control over thier own &quot;culture&quot;  And then Carole, there are men like the one you describe.  They just have grown up with an outlook of the opposite sex that they do not desire that for themselves.  So while we can talk about germ theories etc...  being inseminated with a parasite or germ etc... while exercising through the course of cultural influences (and culture and influence change over a short period of time btw,)  we have a dynamic that is interactive and not isolated in a gene or molecule.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24117">carole</a>.</p>
<p>Carole,<br />
Your second post was closer to what I was trying to communicate.<br />
Of course, there are cultures which dictate homosexuality and that is one conversation.  Then there is the culture that is interpreted by the sensitive individual who almost abhors the idea of the sexuality, sexual roles, etc.. that are the norm.   For example, there are girls growing up today whom I know are in lesbian relationships &#8211; GIRLS &#8211; not women.  And many will respond with the&#8230; I just don&#8217;t want it &#8230;. mentality when it comes to the sexuality of boys and men and how it is in their schools, on tv etc&#8230; In case anyone has not noticed we are inundated with sex.   And so their response has been to be with a girl friend.  I wonder how this culture facilitates that option and how these girls will respond later in life &#8211; when they have more control over thier own &#8220;culture&#8221;  And then Carole, there are men like the one you describe.  They just have grown up with an outlook of the opposite sex that they do not desire that for themselves.  So while we can talk about germ theories etc&#8230;  being inseminated with a parasite or germ etc&#8230; while exercising through the course of cultural influences (and culture and influence change over a short period of time btw,)  we have a dynamic that is interactive and not isolated in a gene or molecule.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24121&quot;&gt;carole&lt;/a&gt;.

What the heck?  My brain must be confused as well.  I thought there was only one gay gene study underway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/#comment-24121">carole</a>.</p>
<p>What the heck?  My brain must be confused as well.  I thought there was only one gay gene study underway.</p>
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		By: carole		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This piece about the UCLA research refers to Sanders&#039; research.  As I initially understood it, the NW study was an effort to find a sample size big enough to fined out once and for all if what Dean Hamer said he found was actually there and this article confirms that.
Holy moley!  Ten million dollars to map a base pair of  46 chromosomes!  Wow.  I had absolutely no idea it was still that expensive.
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/article_view?b_start:int=1&#038;-C=
As for the Baily reference to the study at NW of discordant MZ twins, I&#039;m lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece about the UCLA research refers to Sanders&#8217; research.  As I initially understood it, the NW study was an effort to find a sample size big enough to fined out once and for all if what Dean Hamer said he found was actually there and this article confirms that.<br />
Holy moley!  Ten million dollars to map a base pair of  46 chromosomes!  Wow.  I had absolutely no idea it was still that expensive.<br />
<a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/article_view?b_start:int=1&#038;-C=" rel="nofollow ugc">http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/article_view?b_start:int=1&#038;-C=</a><br />
As for the Baily reference to the study at NW of discordant MZ twins, I&#8217;m lost.</p>
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