Comments on: Donofrio vs. Wells: NJ Obama citizenship case slated for SCOTUS conference

By: David Blakeslee

David Blakeslee — Thu, 28 May 2009 14:56:53 +0000

More news:
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By: Leonard D.

Leonard D. — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:51:38 +0000

I can’t believe the last few posts. They have no idea what the definition of natural-born is, versus ‘naturalized.’
Two U.S. citizen parents are essential to natural-born status . . . it’s been that way since the 1790 Naturalization Act.
Obama was a dual citizen (Britain and U.S.) the first year of his birth. He was of dual nationality (U.S. and Indonesia) until he re-established U.S. residency prior to age 25.
He is naturalized by statute; the purpose of statute being to remove alien nationalities other than that of the ‘right of election’ . . . therefore, Obama is ‘naturalized’ . . . not natural-born.
Read Immigration and Naturalization law for a while . . . and the British Nationality Act of 1948 while your at it . . . then make an educated comment.
As for Obama ‘knew, or should have known’ whether he was eligible, or not. Actually, that is the definition of the tort of negligence. Obama broke the law . . . probably knowingly. Just as he did writing quid pro quo funding for his crooked slumlord cronies in Chicago . . . one of whom is in jail right now.

By: Al Bode

Al Bode — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:52:33 +0000

I am late to the recognition that this tomfoolery is occurring. I thought the matter was settled last summer. That being said, I concur with others that Sharon’s claim of both parents needing to be citizens in oder to produce a natural born offspring is not buttressed by evidence or fact. Similarly, the fact that Obama’s mother was born in Kansas and never relinquished her citizenship automatically bestowed the same on Obama. Prove me wrong. If your parent is a citizen of the United States, you could be born on Mars and still be a natural born citizen. Get real! Think!

By: hgardman

hgardman — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:54 +0000

Having read most of these blogs leave me to the conclusion that there are a lot of real sick ignorant people in America. Anyone who thinks Obama, a Harvard Law School Graduate, and an expert on the US Constitution would not know if he is a citizen of the US and eligible to become President of the U.S….based on the consitution. The deranged idiots would post all the garbage contained here need to get educated then get a life. And grow up.

By: Brenda

Brenda — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:17:06 +0000

Folks might be interested to know we have already had four presidents with foreign born parents: James Buchanan’s father was born in Ireland; Chester Alan Arthur’s father was born in Ireland, Woodrow Wilson’s mother was born in England, Herbert Hoover’s mother was born in Canada. All these gentlemen were born after the Constitution was ratified. Do we know the citizenship status of their parents at the time of the future presidents’ birth? This suggests precedence. The premise of “dual citizenship” is incorrect as put forth by Donofrio. My son was not allowed to claim German citizenship though born in Germany because his parents were US citizens. Many countries require declaration of citizenship for one country or the other within a certain period following birth. So, my son’s loyalty should be questioned because he was born on foreign soil to two parents serving our nation?

By: Yoshi99

Yoshi99 — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:49:51 +0000

Umm, Karl … Donofrio concedes Obama was born in Hawaii in his lawsuit. This case turns solely on Donofrio’s dreamed-up theory about what “natural born” means. For the record, Donofrio also claims McCain was ineligible (due to being born in Panama) along with some fringe candidate as well.
And, Sharon — the only reason this case has made it “this far” is because Donofrio keeps losing, and he keeps appealing. Even the most worthless cases follow the same trajectory if the litigants are stubborn enough — it doesn’t mean their cases have any merit to them.
I’m also interested to hear your basis for the “natural born” status requiring both parents to be U.S. citizens, Sharon (same question HR Guy 17 asked). So far, I haven’t seen any response to that. I’ve gone through every Supreme Court case that even mentions the phrase “natural born,” and I can’t find anything that would support your contention. If you can point me to where you derive support for this claim, it would be very helpful.
Thanks!

By: Karl Kunker

Karl Kunker — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:00:18 +0000

This is a matter that voting Americans should have had a right to know before the presidential election of November 4, 2008. This matter concerns Barack Obama’s status concerning the natural born citizen clause in the qualifications for the President of the United States. At this juncture the electoral college needs to have the right to know whether Barack Obame is or is not an actual legally “natural born citizen,” or in casting their votes for Barack Obama they are also not acting with due diligence to the Constitution of the United States of America.
I do not believe that simply possessing a Certificate of Live Birth should be all that is required to prove natural born citizenship. Such a document could mean any number of things. Legal proof of natural born citizenship is not necessarily verified by the possession of a Certificate of Live Birth. The issue of Dual Citizenship as a child should be addressed and clarified
Barack Obama (whose legal name is even uncertain at this time) is about to be confirmed by the electoral college of the United States of America as President of the United States of America.
This is happening despite the lack of certainty over the necessary qualification of being a natural born citizen of the United States of America.
It would appear that the actual legal facts surrounding the birth of Barack Obama are not in any way verified. Members of his Hawaiian family who were not present at the time of the birth have added to this confusion. There are newspaper reports of his birth having been in two different hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
A purported copy of an “original” Certificate of Live Birth had been put forward to the general public as proof of his native birth in Hawaii. Certificates of live birth do not have to indicate anything other than what is perceived by a municipality that issues such a document to be a simple factual statement concerning a birth whether outside of a hospital, or designated as a minimal amount of necessary assumed true facts. If there are not attending doctors in an actual hospital, the actual place of birth has possibly not been verified by the municipality that issued the COLB. A COLB from Hawaii could actually also record a birth location not in Hawaii.
Add to the circumstances that Barack Obama’s father was not an American citizen, but he may also have illegally married Ann Durham according to the laws of the State of Hawaii. Barack Obama’s father has married (in either religious or civil settings) without due diligence being performed by the attending officials. He had at least one wife in Africa prior to his marriage to Ann Durham.
Members of Barack Obama;s father’s extended family have made assertions that he was born in a Hospital in Africa. There have also been affidavits attesting to the existence of birth records in a hospital in Africa. It appears common knowledge to many Africans that Barack Obama really was born in Africa. There have been statements from Islamic religious authorities that Barack’s given religious name in Africa contained “Mohammed.”
All this to say Barack Obama may not even know the whole story himself, but because some information was told to some individual with civil authority he was registered as born in Hawaii. Factually correct or not he does possess a COLB from Hawaii.
There apparently are two birth records. The first is from a hospital in Africa with an attending doctor’s acknowledgement as well as supporting religious collaboration of an assigned legal name. The second is from a local municipality in Hawaii that is not an actual birth certificate witnessed by a doctor. The original information used as the basis for the formulation of this COLB has not been verified and may be in error since the African records show both a municipal and a religious collaboration.
Someone may have lied, not known the law or actually succeeded in circumventing the law in how the COLB came into existence in the first place. If any of these is true it is important for the Electoral College to enter into their voting with clear knowledge regarding these circumstances. Legal questions that were kept from being considered by the general public need to be considered by the Electoral College.
Other parties may have acted outside the legal requirements concerning this matter of the natural born citizenship of Barack Obama, but the Supreme Court can not let this matter fail to be investigated beyond the voting of the Electoral College. Settle this issue expediently, it is their constitutional responsibility and check upon the Office of the Presidency.
The matter needs to be investigated thoroughly before the Electoral College votes and it is later discovered that the documents proving his uncertain Hawaiian birth and his more definite African Native birth come to light.
This case may need to resolve itself in the requirement that the legal marriage (civil or religious) of Ann Durham may have to be declared illegitimate. Other wise the foreign birth by a married 18 year old that could not pass her citizenship on to her son who was born in a foreign land could be now be passed on to her son as she could be considered the sole legal parent and her citizenship was in Hawaii for a least a year prior to the birth of her son. This would still require legal action to verify all of this historically.
Karl Kunker

By: Bill Morrow

Bill Morrow — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:42:05 +0000

Dear HR Guy 17,
Well, thats a good question and one that is not pertinent to this matter since Obama’s father was kenyan and not a united states citizen..
his mother was a US citizen but was 18 at the time of his birth..
(so much for honor, the father impregnated a folish white girl and the skipped town, sounds familiar!)..
SO, unless he WAS born in hawaii, he is NOT a natural born citizen and thus not constitutionally qualified to fill the office of president.
see: http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
for a discussion on the meanings and the writings of the founders and the why of this constitutional provision.
Now, i personally do not think a constitutional crisis would be good for the USA at this particular time but Obama must either prove “it or step down.
Bill Morrow
“one who is NOT brainwashed by the media and hollywood propaganda machine”

By: GeorgetownJD

GeorgetownJD — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:54:50 +0000

For those hoping that they would hear news today regarding SCOTUS’s decision on Donofrio v. Wells, the Court’s orders issued today contain no hint:
“(ORDER LIST: 555 U.S.)
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2008
CERTIORARI GRANTED
08-368
AL-MARRI, ALI V. PUCCIARELLI, JOHN
The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted.
08-441
GROSS, JACK V. FBL FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC.
The motion of National Employment Lawyers Association for
leave to file a brief as amicus curiae is granted.
The petition
for a writ of certiorari is granted.”

By: HR Guy 17

HR Guy 17 — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:59:11 +0000

Sharon, please point out to us where it says in the Constitution that the child who becomes President must be born to people who are citizens AND be born in the US? I would love to know where that is in the language cause I can’t find it.
Please look at the actual document. I have scoured it end to end without success.
Here is a link…
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html