By: Mary

Mary — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:34:19 +0000

Your beef is with someone else, take it there.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:11:26 +0000

Mary, you said: BTW, from the way you draw associations, you should still be riding Warren since he associates with a group that has an associate who is a member of NARTH. Warren knows that much is true.
If he were still doing this, I would still be riding him, right Warren? I rode to him to dump MARTH — even though I think he would have done it anyway. Give me examples and I will do it here and now. And if you can find some instance of me supporting an organization that uses someone like Cameron, you have every right to shame me for it.
And BTW, I don’t “draw” associations. I only point them out. People either do or do not associate or condone (or “use as a resourse”) those organizations or persons they believe in. I would not ever do this with a pro-gay organization just because they “helped” me — and you would be right to try to shame me into denouncing them,
Suppose I gave a pass to an organization whose “expert advisors” seemed to condone or minimize child sexual abuse. Should I “use them as a resource” because they also give food baskets to the needy? You have to draw a moral line somewhere, don’t you?. Where is your line?
That you still do sing NARTH’s praises is very troubling. That seems very selfish. Wonder what other kinds of groups you would support and how far they could go with “evil” and “abhorrent” folks (like Cameron) before you said “enough”.
And BTW, you have NO IDEA what kind of approaches I took with EXODUS clients. For the record, I never tried to “shame them” into becoming “ex-gay”. They already HAD shame — mostly heaped upon them by their own churches. They had been taught to hate themselves for being gay. We tried hard every day to REMOVE the shame and replace it with a firm knowledge of God’s forgiveness uncondition love.. If anything, we often openkly shamed the Church for its fear, prejudice and mistreatment of gays.

By: Mary

Mary — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:52:45 +0000

I’ll answer that in a private e-mail.

By: Warren

Warren — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:57:36 +0000

@Mary: Are there specific articles or resources on the NARTH website that you are referring to that you like?

By: Mary

Mary — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:55:50 +0000

I understand Warren. That was not the association I was talking about – nonetheless I am glad people do speak up and denounce such thinking.
However, for people such as myself, the choices are limited in looking for information. And I do not support racism, bullying or any mistreatment of others. That I use NARTH as a resource speaks volumes about the lack of info available to ex gays (ex lesbians.) It puts people like myself between a rock and a hard place.

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