Comments on: Nov. 5 New York Times Front Page Leaked

By: Mohammed Migdady

Mohammed Migdady — Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:14:36 +0000

Congratulation president Obama2012
Congratulation America.
Congratulation …Democracy
Great Nation.
Democratic competition election for the best intrest of Americans.
No country on this globe, has this great democracy… Congratulation America.
Mohammed Migdady
Canada

By: FAC

FAC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:07:09 +0000

@Lynn David
You are right English is not my nativa language. If I made you answer my post base in my poor grammar choices, then sorry. And thank you for your grammar class.
I see a step towards socialism because what Obama said he will like to do is nothing more than a socialist principle. I don’t want you to misunderstandme more on this theme, so read post # 14077 by David Blakeslee. That is what I meant.
You are also assuming too many things. Packing stuff doesn’t means leaving, it means getting ready. Probably no drastic change under Obama, I’m crossing my fingers just in case. However what you don’t realise is american are no different than germans or any other european, as a matter of fact there is a big chunck of german descents. Why do you think germans lived under socialist rule for so many years? Do you think they liked? Do you think hungarians didn’t try to get off socialism? Believe when I said once they take over it is almost impossible to shake them off your back. Watch “The live of others” it is a german movie about what it is to live under a police state. Why one out of three cubans drown trying to get here? Also believe the new ways to get a socialist regime is not by violent means anymore. They are using democracy tools. ELECTIONS.

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:20:03 +0000

FAC wrote: Read againg, I didn't say the lower 40% was on food stamp. I said the lower 40% are ther for a reason. Some have food stamps, others not, some have medic aid, others some kind of state sponsored health program.

Then perhaps you should take note of something. Paragraphs are usually meant to represent a singular thought in the English language. Thus when you pointed out "the bottom 40% of the lower earners ... goverment is sending the food stamps, the welfare checks and their health insurance is taken care of, is not helping, never helped and will never help those people get on their feet..." - All in one paragraph, the personal pronouns/adjectives that you used all referred back to "the bottom 40% of the lower earners." So all I can do is suggest you pay better care to the structure of the paragraphs which you write in the future. Because that paragraph did tie in your "bottom 40" with the government aid which you listed. English is a precise language in that respect, and I understand it may not be your native tongue. FAC, you have said the following:

I have my stuff packed. It will be the second time I have to escape from a “socialist heaven”. We have “developed” a special sense to detect anything that smells socialism, communism or whatever left theory out there.

You seem sure that socialism is coming and don't like it. You left one country for the USA because of it. And now someone gets elected that seems to have triggered your "sense." So I have told you, fine... go. You left before, why not now? I, however, love this country and will fight for it. I have no desire to leave. No, I am not American Indian, I harbor no special claim for this country over anyone else. I am simply making my remarks based on what you have said. You "smell socialism" with the election of Obama and "have [your] stuff packed." So then I can only assume that you'll only stay in America as long as America doesn't smell "socialist" to you. You are the one saying you are ready and willing to leave - so all I said was goodbye.

By: FAC

FAC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:53:23 +0000

@ Mary
“Nickle and Dimed …”
Mary, we live in a unfair world. That’s granted. If you read my earlier post I have no problem with society helping the less afortunates. The other day I saw a old couple with a grown up down syndrome son in his 40’s. What will happen to that guy when his parents are no longer arround. That guy has the right to society help and society is responsible to cover his needs. As well as the single mother/father or a disabled person, whoever has a real need should get help. Now again my “however”. The book shows how irresponsible people are. I really don’t understand how a grown up could be waiting tables or flipping hamburgers at a fast food shop. That is a job for teenagers or students who are people just starting in their labor life. Or people looking for a second income to save for other purposes. In this country you can be anything you want to be, you have all the opportunities no other country in the world has. If you have being jumping from one low paid job to another without stability in your life, sorry, why should I help you? You can start in a low paid job and with hard work climb to a better position, that happens everyday. You have help to go to college, why didn’t you took that opportunity to do something with your life? I’m sorry, society shouldn’t be held responsible for taking care of peoples mistakes. The same way it is unfair to deny help to whoever really needs it, it is also unfair to take away some citizens money to paid for others mistakes. The more we seek the goverment to help with any kind of problems, the more powerful it will grow and the more money will be needed to cover all that. Everytime a “problem” is solved , a new one arises. As our founding fathers forsaw the role of the goverment should be minimal.

By: FAC

FAC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:19:49 +0000

@Mary
“IT IS DAMN DIFFICULT TO RAISE A CHILD ALONE.”
Mary, we need more responsability. With DNA and others means you can have the father accountable for his actions and make him responsable for that child support. If you are a single mom, society should be responsible in helping rise your child. It is in society best interest. However, it also should have the mother accountable for that help. It cost society a lot of money in order to support the needs of its citizens. My point is we need a way to verify and make people responsible for that help. If you are a single mother with 1 kid, I have a problem if you came every year with a new kid and ask for more help. or You start living with a boyfriend and still getting the help as a single mom. The problem is in the people who abuse the system, and believe me there are a very high percentage of them. How high that percentage is? Who knows. The goverment is only interesed in writing the checks in order to get more votes.After all it is not their money they are giving away, so why bother? And that is a problem, because it is not only the money that actually goes to the needy, you have to consider the growing bureucracy that is needed to do that. After a while you have a whole new class of bureucrats with benefits and privileges even supperiors to the people they are taking the money from. The money the goverment spend just to distribute that help is huge. If you compare it with the work of the church in giving help we will better off(taxes wise) giving the money to your church and let the priest deal with that. They have way more experience than the goverment doing that and our taxes will be 10%.

By: FAC

FAC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:42:27 +0000

@minty
In 1961 taxes were that high you are right. However IMHO JFK said if you want to stimulate the economy you need to lower taxes.It doesn’t matter what the taxes levels are, you need to lower them period. If the economy is in trouble and upper taxes are 10% you need to lower then to anything lower than 10%.

By: FAC

FAC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:33:48 +0000

@Lynn David
“You have a rather cliche’d viewpoint about what America is about. Most of those in that lower 40% aren’t on food stamps, don’t get welfare checks, nor do they have government health care or even private health care. You have a very dim view of the realities concerning the American people”
Read againg, I didn’t say the lower 40% was on food stamp. I said the lower 40% are ther for a reason. Some have food stamps, others not, some have medic aid, others some kind of state sponsored health program. I know that because I had worked in govermental offices dealing with people in medic aid programs. I know there are people that genuinely need help either temporary or permanent. I’m talking the people that abuse the system. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you better review your viewpoint, the cliche’ viewpoint could be yours.
“I realized that. But you made it sound as if America was only on a worthy of a waypoint on your search for a your version of a super-capitalist heaven with your bags packed and ready to go…. so I said you probably might as well go. Afterall, you then went on to post this after what I have quoted above:
FAC: I don’t know if Warren “lament” will ever take place, unfortunatelly, there are millions(including myself) who had to actually go beyond that “lament” and leave friends, family and country behind because of that. We have “developed” a special sense to detect anything that smells socialism, communism or whatever left theory out there. That is something few here ever experienced.
Fine…. you and all your fellow “millions” follow your special sense…. Go! Find a better place and then come back and brag about it to us poor, dim-witted Americans.”
I’m sensing a personal tone in your comments. You are making the concept of freedom and personal responsability as my own. Believe me, I didn’t create that concept, read our constitution.
There are millions that had to escape from some kind of tyrany or oppression including the passengers in the Mayflower. You are not american indian right?
In your oppinion only who agree with you is worthy call them americans? Because you are placing me in a non-american group just because I disagree with you. That my friend is stalinism. If America become a place where people who think like you are in charge and get to change into something different of what America is all about, then I’ll take the Mayflower back to another port. i can save you a seat if you want.:)

By: Mary

Mary — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:51:25 +0000

Has anyone ever read the book Nickle and Dimed in America??
http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0805088385/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226032839&sr=8-1
Some of you who think that low pay is about small effort – think again. Or rather read something.
Now, throw in some minor upset like a sick child or ailing parent. Things are bad out there. We once believed that slavery was abolished. But it isn’t. We just have “some” employee rights that prevent the abuse of others. It doesn’t prevent employers from requiring hard work (say 39 hours) for minimum wage and falling just below the full time employee status (where other benefits are supposed to kick in)
As to healthcare, I have a step sister who is considered a brittle diabetic. If she were to shop for healthcare in the open market she would be denied or pay a huge amount – well over 1000.00 a month. She is only 40 years old. She is currently under a plan through a family member. And she needs health care or she would die in a short time. She has a college education, is a single mother, and cannot afford to live on her own. The father of her child pays little to nothing towards child support. She attends a church that provides much support to homeless people but she does not take any assistance. Granted, I have issues with some of her choices – but as anyone who knows me, I’m apt to aim at most people, myself included – yet, she is like many, many people out there. It’s not one issue or one item that has temporarily set her back. It is several that have held her back and she is unable to move forward.
Now multiply this to the nation. We are living in stuck world.

By: jayhuck

jayhuck — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:12:57 +0000

Besides, and O’Reilly spot would have simply had him preaching to the choir! I can’t imagine that would have helped.

By: jayhuck

jayhuck — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:11:52 +0000

Drowssap –
I think he was simply exhausted!