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		By: Mohammed Migdady		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congratulation president Obama2012
Congratulation America.
Congratulation ...Democracy
Great Nation.
Democratic  competition election for the best intrest of Americans.
No country on this globe, has this great democracy... Congratulation America.
Mohammed Migdady
Canada]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulation president Obama2012<br />
Congratulation America.<br />
Congratulation &#8230;Democracy<br />
Great Nation.<br />
Democratic  competition election for the best intrest of Americans.<br />
No country on this globe, has this great democracy&#8230; Congratulation America.<br />
Mohammed Migdady<br />
Canada</p>
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		By: FAC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Lynn David
You are right English is not my nativa language. If I made you answer my post base in my poor grammar choices, then sorry. And thank you for your grammar class.
I see a step towards socialism because what Obama said he will like to do is nothing more than a socialist principle. I don&#039;t want you to misunderstandme more on this theme, so read post # 14077 by David Blakeslee. That is what I meant.
You are also assuming too many things. Packing stuff doesn&#039;t means leaving, it means getting ready. Probably no drastic change under Obama, I&#039;m crossing my fingers just in case. However what you don&#039;t realise is american are no different than germans or any other european, as a matter of fact there is a big chunck of german descents. Why do you think germans lived under socialist rule for so many years? Do you think they liked? Do you think hungarians didn&#039;t try to get off socialism? Believe when I said once they take over it is almost impossible to shake them off your back. Watch &quot;The live of others&quot; it is a german movie about what it is to live under a police state. Why one out of three cubans drown trying to get here? Also believe the new ways to get a socialist regime is not by violent means anymore. They are using democracy tools. ELECTIONS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lynn David<br />
You are right English is not my nativa language. If I made you answer my post base in my poor grammar choices, then sorry. And thank you for your grammar class.<br />
I see a step towards socialism because what Obama said he will like to do is nothing more than a socialist principle. I don&#8217;t want you to misunderstandme more on this theme, so read post # 14077 by David Blakeslee. That is what I meant.<br />
You are also assuming too many things. Packing stuff doesn&#8217;t means leaving, it means getting ready. Probably no drastic change under Obama, I&#8217;m crossing my fingers just in case. However what you don&#8217;t realise is american are no different than germans or any other european, as a matter of fact there is a big chunck of german descents. Why do you think germans lived under socialist rule for so many years? Do you think they liked? Do you think hungarians didn&#8217;t try to get off socialism? Believe when I said once they take over it is almost impossible to shake them off your back. Watch &#8220;The live of others&#8221; it is a german movie about what it is to live under a police state. Why one out of three cubans drown trying to get here? Also believe the new ways to get a socialist regime is not by violent means anymore. They are using democracy tools. ELECTIONS.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;FAC wrote: &lt;/strong&gt;   Read againg, I didn&#039;t say the lower 40% was on food stamp. I said the lower 40% are ther for a reason. Some have food stamps, others not, some have medic aid, others some kind of state sponsored health program. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Then perhaps you should take note of something.   Paragraphs are usually meant to represent a singular thought in the English language.   Thus when you pointed out &quot;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;the bottom 40% of the lower earners&lt;/b&gt; ... goverment is sending the food stamps, the welfare checks and &lt;b&gt;their&lt;/b&gt; health insurance is taken care of, is not helping, never helped and will never help &lt;b&gt;those people&lt;/b&gt; get on their feet...&lt;/i&gt;&quot; - All in one paragraph, the personal pronouns/adjectives that you used all referred back to &quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;the bottom 40% of the lower earners&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;   So all I can do is suggest you pay better care to the structure of the paragraphs which you write in the future.   Because that paragraph did tie in your &quot;&lt;i&gt;bottom 40&lt;/i&gt;&quot; with the government aid which you listed.   English is a precise language in that respect, and I understand it may not be your native tongue.
&lt;strong&gt;FAC&lt;/strong&gt;, you have said the following:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have my stuff packed. It will be the second time I have to escape from a “socialist heaven”.
We have “developed” a special sense to detect anything that smells socialism, communism or whatever left theory out there. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
You seem sure that socialism is coming and don&#039;t like it.   You left one country for the USA because of it.  And now someone gets elected that seems to have triggered your &quot;sense.&quot;   So I have told you, fine... go.   You left before, why not now?   I, however, love this country and will fight for it.  I have no desire to leave.  No, I am not American Indian, I harbor no special claim for this country over anyone else.   I am simply making my remarks based on what you have said.  You &quot;&lt;em&gt;smell socialism&lt;/em&gt;&quot; with the election of Obama and &quot;&lt;em&gt;have &lt;/em&gt;[your] &lt;em&gt;stuff packed&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; So then I can only assume that you&#039;ll only stay in America as long as America doesn&#039;t smell &quot;socialist&quot; to you.   You are the one saying you are ready and willing  to leave - so all I said was goodbye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>FAC wrote: </strong>   Read againg, I didn&#8217;t say the lower 40% was on food stamp. I said the lower 40% are ther for a reason. Some have food stamps, others not, some have medic aid, others some kind of state sponsored health program. </p></blockquote>
<p>Then perhaps you should take note of something.   Paragraphs are usually meant to represent a singular thought in the English language.   Thus when you pointed out &#8220;<i><b>the bottom 40% of the lower earners</b> &#8230; goverment is sending the food stamps, the welfare checks and <b>their</b> health insurance is taken care of, is not helping, never helped and will never help <b>those people</b> get on their feet&#8230;</i>&#8221; &#8211; All in one paragraph, the personal pronouns/adjectives that you used all referred back to &#8220;<b><i>the bottom 40% of the lower earners</i></b>.&#8221;   So all I can do is suggest you pay better care to the structure of the paragraphs which you write in the future.   Because that paragraph did tie in your &#8220;<i>bottom 40</i>&#8221; with the government aid which you listed.   English is a precise language in that respect, and I understand it may not be your native tongue.<br />
<strong>FAC</strong>, you have said the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have my stuff packed. It will be the second time I have to escape from a “socialist heaven”.<br />
We have “developed” a special sense to detect anything that smells socialism, communism or whatever left theory out there. </p></blockquote>
<p>You seem sure that socialism is coming and don&#8217;t like it.   You left one country for the USA because of it.  And now someone gets elected that seems to have triggered your &#8220;sense.&#8221;   So I have told you, fine&#8230; go.   You left before, why not now?   I, however, love this country and will fight for it.  I have no desire to leave.  No, I am not American Indian, I harbor no special claim for this country over anyone else.   I am simply making my remarks based on what you have said.  You &#8220;<em>smell socialism</em>&#8221; with the election of Obama and &#8220;<em>have </em>[your] <em>stuff packed</em>.&#8221; So then I can only assume that you&#8217;ll only stay in America as long as America doesn&#8217;t smell &#8220;socialist&#8221; to you.   You are the one saying you are ready and willing  to leave &#8211; so all I said was goodbye.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Mary
&quot;Nickle and Dimed ...&quot;
Mary, we live in a unfair world. That&#039;s granted. If you read my earlier post I have no problem with society helping the less afortunates. The other day I saw a old couple with a grown up down syndrome son in his 40&#039;s. What will happen to that guy when his parents are no longer arround. That guy has the right to society help and society is responsible to cover his needs. As well as the single mother/father or a disabled person, whoever has a real need should get help. Now again my &quot;however&quot;. The book shows how irresponsible people are. I really don&#039;t understand how a grown up could be waiting tables or flipping hamburgers at a fast food shop. That is a job for teenagers or students who are people just starting in their labor life. Or people looking for a second income to save for other purposes. In this country you can be anything you want to be, you have all the opportunities no other country in the world has. If you have being jumping from one low paid job to another without stability in your life, sorry, why should I help you? You can start in a low paid job and with hard work climb to a better position, that happens everyday. You have help to go to college, why didn&#039;t you took that opportunity to do something with your life? I&#039;m sorry, society shouldn&#039;t be held responsible for taking care of peoples mistakes. The same way it is unfair to deny help to whoever really needs it, it is also unfair to take away some citizens money to paid for others mistakes. The more we seek the goverment to help with any kind of problems, the more powerful it will grow and the more money will be needed to cover all that. Everytime a &quot;problem&quot; is solved , a new one arises. As our founding fathers forsaw the role of the goverment should be minimal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mary<br />
&#8220;Nickle and Dimed &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Mary, we live in a unfair world. That&#8217;s granted. If you read my earlier post I have no problem with society helping the less afortunates. The other day I saw a old couple with a grown up down syndrome son in his 40&#8217;s. What will happen to that guy when his parents are no longer arround. That guy has the right to society help and society is responsible to cover his needs. As well as the single mother/father or a disabled person, whoever has a real need should get help. Now again my &#8220;however&#8221;. The book shows how irresponsible people are. I really don&#8217;t understand how a grown up could be waiting tables or flipping hamburgers at a fast food shop. That is a job for teenagers or students who are people just starting in their labor life. Or people looking for a second income to save for other purposes. In this country you can be anything you want to be, you have all the opportunities no other country in the world has. If you have being jumping from one low paid job to another without stability in your life, sorry, why should I help you? You can start in a low paid job and with hard work climb to a better position, that happens everyday. You have help to go to college, why didn&#8217;t you took that opportunity to do something with your life? I&#8217;m sorry, society shouldn&#8217;t be held responsible for taking care of peoples mistakes. The same way it is unfair to deny help to whoever really needs it, it is also unfair to take away some citizens money to paid for others mistakes. The more we seek the goverment to help with any kind of problems, the more powerful it will grow and the more money will be needed to cover all that. Everytime a &#8220;problem&#8221; is solved , a new one arises. As our founding fathers forsaw the role of the goverment should be minimal.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mary
&quot;IT IS DAMN DIFFICULT TO RAISE A CHILD ALONE.&quot;
Mary, we need more responsability.  With DNA and others means you can have the father accountable for his actions and make him responsable for that child support. If you are a single mom,  society should be responsible in helping rise your child. It is in society best interest. However, it also should have the mother accountable for that help. It cost society a lot of money in order to support the needs of its citizens. My point is we need a way to verify and make people responsible for that help. If you are a single mother with 1 kid, I have a problem if you came every year with a new kid and ask for more help. or You start living with a boyfriend and still getting the help as a single mom. The problem is in the people who abuse the system, and believe me there are a very high percentage of them. How high that percentage is? Who knows. The goverment is only interesed in writing the checks in order to get more votes.After all it is not their money they are giving away, so why bother? And that is a problem, because it is not only the money that actually goes to the needy, you have to consider the growing bureucracy that is needed to do that. After a while you have a whole new class of bureucrats with benefits and privileges even supperiors to the people they are taking the money from. The money the goverment spend just to distribute that help is huge. If you compare it with the work of the church in giving help we will better off(taxes wise) giving the money to your church and let the priest deal with that. They have way more experience than the goverment doing that and our taxes will be 10%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mary<br />
&#8220;IT IS DAMN DIFFICULT TO RAISE A CHILD ALONE.&#8221;<br />
Mary, we need more responsability.  With DNA and others means you can have the father accountable for his actions and make him responsable for that child support. If you are a single mom,  society should be responsible in helping rise your child. It is in society best interest. However, it also should have the mother accountable for that help. It cost society a lot of money in order to support the needs of its citizens. My point is we need a way to verify and make people responsible for that help. If you are a single mother with 1 kid, I have a problem if you came every year with a new kid and ask for more help. or You start living with a boyfriend and still getting the help as a single mom. The problem is in the people who abuse the system, and believe me there are a very high percentage of them. How high that percentage is? Who knows. The goverment is only interesed in writing the checks in order to get more votes.After all it is not their money they are giving away, so why bother? And that is a problem, because it is not only the money that actually goes to the needy, you have to consider the growing bureucracy that is needed to do that. After a while you have a whole new class of bureucrats with benefits and privileges even supperiors to the people they are taking the money from. The money the goverment spend just to distribute that help is huge. If you compare it with the work of the church in giving help we will better off(taxes wise) giving the money to your church and let the priest deal with that. They have way more experience than the goverment doing that and our taxes will be 10%.</p>
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