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	Comments on: Shelly Mandell, head of LA chapter of National Organization for Women endorses McCain-Palin	</title>
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		By: Jessica Renshaw		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Renshaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Orange County Register, in their article covering the Palin rally in Carson, did make a point of mentioning that she was introduced by Shelly Mandell of the LA chapter of NOW:
Saturday, October 4, 2008
Palin says it&#039;s time to &#039;take off the gloves&#039;
The GOP vice presidential candidate takes a few swings at Obama, but also quotes a Democratic line she recently read on a Starbucks cup.
By MARTIN WISCKOL
The Orange County Register
Comments 963 &#124; Recommend 11
CARSON
With a month to go until Election Day, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin told an enthusiastic crowd Saturday afternoon that it was time to &quot;put on the heels and take off the gloves.&quot;
And while she credited the line to a campaign worker, it and the rest of her 24-minute speech at the Home Depot Center rally was delivered with her trademark panache. The Republican hit the familiar topics of the economy, energy and defense, but offered a few surprises as well.
The first one came with the woman who introduced Palin, lifelong Democrat and president of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization For Women, Shelly Mandell. While NOW has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama as best representing women&#039;s interests in the race, Mandell has taken a different view.
&quot;This is what a feminist looks like,&quot; Mandell told the crowd. &quot;Like Gov. Sarah Palin.&quot;
Palin picked up from there, saying, &quot;We&#039;re going to shatter the highest glass ceiling in America.&quot; etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Orange County Register, in their article covering the Palin rally in Carson, did make a point of mentioning that she was introduced by Shelly Mandell of the LA chapter of NOW:<br />
Saturday, October 4, 2008<br />
Palin says it&#8217;s time to &#8216;take off the gloves&#8217;<br />
The GOP vice presidential candidate takes a few swings at Obama, but also quotes a Democratic line she recently read on a Starbucks cup.<br />
By MARTIN WISCKOL<br />
The Orange County Register<br />
Comments 963 | Recommend 11<br />
CARSON<br />
With a month to go until Election Day, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin told an enthusiastic crowd Saturday afternoon that it was time to &#8220;put on the heels and take off the gloves.&#8221;<br />
And while she credited the line to a campaign worker, it and the rest of her 24-minute speech at the Home Depot Center rally was delivered with her trademark panache. The Republican hit the familiar topics of the economy, energy and defense, but offered a few surprises as well.<br />
The first one came with the woman who introduced Palin, lifelong Democrat and president of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization For Women, Shelly Mandell. While NOW has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama as best representing women&#8217;s interests in the race, Mandell has taken a different view.<br />
&#8220;This is what a feminist looks like,&#8221; Mandell told the crowd. &#8220;Like Gov. Sarah Palin.&#8221;<br />
Palin picked up from there, saying, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to shatter the highest glass ceiling in America.&#8221; etc.</p>
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		By: Claire		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to correct something from a few posts back, Catholics haven&#039;t used the &quot;Rhythm Method&quot; for a few decades. The rhythm method tries to predict the days a woman is fertile based on the time since her last period. It is very inaccurate. Now most Catholics use some form of &quot;Natural Family Planning&quot;, such as charting her temperature increase before ovulation, or the Billings Method, which uses a combination of several physical signs to pinpoint ovulation. It works a lot better. Contrary to popular belief, the Church follows updates in science closely in order to guide believers as accurately as possible.
As for it being sinful, I have met a few Catholics who personally believe it is, but the official position of the Church is that refraining from sex is not sinful. The act of sex must be open to new life, but it the couple cannot afford another child, for example, they can make the sacrifice of waiting for sex until another day. Basically, sex is seen as good, but not necessary. Interfering with the life-giving aspect of sex is seen as selfish. Agreeing to forgo sex is a discipline that couples can do to manage their families.
Another problem that the Church has about contraception is that many methods do not prevent fertilization of the egg, but do keep it from implanting in the uterus. Thus the fertilized egg is rejected, and that life is destroyed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct something from a few posts back, Catholics haven&#8217;t used the &#8220;Rhythm Method&#8221; for a few decades. The rhythm method tries to predict the days a woman is fertile based on the time since her last period. It is very inaccurate. Now most Catholics use some form of &#8220;Natural Family Planning&#8221;, such as charting her temperature increase before ovulation, or the Billings Method, which uses a combination of several physical signs to pinpoint ovulation. It works a lot better. Contrary to popular belief, the Church follows updates in science closely in order to guide believers as accurately as possible.<br />
As for it being sinful, I have met a few Catholics who personally believe it is, but the official position of the Church is that refraining from sex is not sinful. The act of sex must be open to new life, but it the couple cannot afford another child, for example, they can make the sacrifice of waiting for sex until another day. Basically, sex is seen as good, but not necessary. Interfering with the life-giving aspect of sex is seen as selfish. Agreeing to forgo sex is a discipline that couples can do to manage their families.<br />
Another problem that the Church has about contraception is that many methods do not prevent fertilization of the egg, but do keep it from implanting in the uterus. Thus the fertilized egg is rejected, and that life is destroyed.</p>
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		By: Jennifer B.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sarah Palin is NOT a hypocrite. I am a born again Christian like Palin and I have no issue with birth control. The Bible is the only book and authority. Not some church&#039;s bylaws, rules or personal ideals. Just the Bible in which Christians believe is the Word of God as written through His servants. That being said, birth control according to the Bible is not sinful. It is preventing a birth not destroying an already made one which is what abortion is all about. The 10 Commandments state: &quot;Thou Shalt Not Murder&quot;. So Palin is Pro-life. &quot;Protecting that which already lives&quot;.
 Hillary Clinton is backing Obama because she has stated that she is a loyal member of the Democratic Party and will back whomever is the candidate. She says she wants to show party unity. Whether she agrees with Obama on all the issues doesn&#039;t matter because regardless she and Bill will back him because of their party loyalty.
I think Mandel&#039;s endorsement is puzzling. Hillary shares more with Obama on the issues then McCain/Palin do. And yet she has decided to back the Republican candidates ticket? Very odd. Yet it&#039;s her choice. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that newsworthy though because Mandel is only the head of the Los Angeles N.O.W. NOT the National one. Her words really don&#039;t carry that much weight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin is NOT a hypocrite. I am a born again Christian like Palin and I have no issue with birth control. The Bible is the only book and authority. Not some church&#8217;s bylaws, rules or personal ideals. Just the Bible in which Christians believe is the Word of God as written through His servants. That being said, birth control according to the Bible is not sinful. It is preventing a birth not destroying an already made one which is what abortion is all about. The 10 Commandments state: &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Murder&#8221;. So Palin is Pro-life. &#8220;Protecting that which already lives&#8221;.<br />
 Hillary Clinton is backing Obama because she has stated that she is a loyal member of the Democratic Party and will back whomever is the candidate. She says she wants to show party unity. Whether she agrees with Obama on all the issues doesn&#8217;t matter because regardless she and Bill will back him because of their party loyalty.<br />
I think Mandel&#8217;s endorsement is puzzling. Hillary shares more with Obama on the issues then McCain/Palin do. And yet she has decided to back the Republican candidates ticket? Very odd. Yet it&#8217;s her choice. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that newsworthy though because Mandel is only the head of the Los Angeles N.O.W. NOT the National one. Her words really don&#8217;t carry that much weight.</p>
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		By: clem greco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clem greco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I   GIVE   U P...  THEY  ARE STILL  TALKING   REILIGION........HOW  SAD   THINK
OF  ALL THE  GOOD  THEY  COULD DO  IF  THEY  PUT  ALL  THAT  ENERGY  INTO
VOLUNTEERING   AT  A  NURSING  HOME   OR  WORKING  ON   A  WALK  AGAINST  ALTSHEIMERS
I  ATTENDED  CATHOLIC  SCHOOL  FOR  13  YEARS.....BUT  I  WOULD  NEVER
PRESUME  TO    INFLICT  WHAT  I  HAVE  BEEN  TAUGHT  ON  OTHERS.....
THAT  IS  WHAT  THE  CRUSADERS  DID  AND  LOOK  WHAT  IT  GOT  US...
SOME  PEOPLE  DON&#039;T  HAVE  ENOGH  TO  DO....AGAIN  HOW  PATHETIC!!...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I   GIVE   U P&#8230;  THEY  ARE STILL  TALKING   REILIGION&#8230;&#8230;..HOW  SAD   THINK<br />
OF  ALL THE  GOOD  THEY  COULD DO  IF  THEY  PUT  ALL  THAT  ENERGY  INTO<br />
VOLUNTEERING   AT  A  NURSING  HOME   OR  WORKING  ON   A  WALK  AGAINST  ALTSHEIMERS<br />
I  ATTENDED  CATHOLIC  SCHOOL  FOR  13  YEARS&#8230;..BUT  I  WOULD  NEVER<br />
PRESUME  TO    INFLICT  WHAT  I  HAVE  BEEN  TAUGHT  ON  OTHERS&#8230;..<br />
THAT  IS  WHAT  THE  CRUSADERS  DID  AND  LOOK  WHAT  IT  GOT  US&#8230;<br />
SOME  PEOPLE  DON&#8217;T  HAVE  ENOGH  TO  DO&#8230;.AGAIN  HOW  PATHETIC!!&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Lauren wrote: &lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Sarah Palin falls smack dab in the middle of typical pro-lifers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not if you poll the Mennonites, Baptists, and Roman Catholics who I know.   But I come from a very conservative, yet somewhat progressive, portion of mostly farmland Indiana.
&lt;blockquote&gt;....in regards to Onan,  it can be argued that Onan&#039;s sin was in not following God&#039;s instructions, not the specific way he choose not to follow them. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I was simply giving you the Roman Catholic party line.  In disobeying the god, all Onan did was disobey the Israelite law to provide an heir for his brother.   The law had a specific punishment, public humiliation.  Thus the god must have killed Onan for something further, &lt;em&gt;ergo coitus interruptus. &lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lauren wrote: </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Sarah Palin falls smack dab in the middle of typical pro-lifers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not if you poll the Mennonites, Baptists, and Roman Catholics who I know.   But I come from a very conservative, yet somewhat progressive, portion of mostly farmland Indiana.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;.in regards to Onan,  it can be argued that Onan&#8217;s sin was in not following God&#8217;s instructions, not the specific way he choose not to follow them. </p></blockquote>
<p>I was simply giving you the Roman Catholic party line.  In disobeying the god, all Onan did was disobey the Israelite law to provide an heir for his brother.   The law had a specific punishment, public humiliation.  Thus the god must have killed Onan for something further, <em>ergo coitus interruptus. </em></p>
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