Comments on: Some responses to the Golden Rule pledge

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:40:56 +0000

Dave G. Would you please explain CLEARLY what you mean when you say “In fact, you don’t HAVE to be gay at all! No one does.”?

BEING gay and not ACTING on the attractions are two different things. I have been doing this work for over 30 years now. During that time, I have met ex-gays who don’t ACT on their homosexual attractions — but they still HAVE them. I know people who no longer CALL themselves gay — even though they (1) are not heterosexual, (2) have no attractions to women and (3) continue to have sexual/romanttic attractions ONLY towards men.

I have met ex-gay men who no longer “identifiy” as gay — whatever that means — but they still masturbate to gay fantasies. I have met “former homosexuals” (like EXODUS VP Randy Thomas) who admit they meet the “secular definition” of “bisexual” and have ongoing “lust” towards both men and women. Alan Chambers, President of EXODUS, says he has to struggle daily against “that which comes naturally for him”. Truly straight men don’t struggle daily with gay feelings.

They may not HAVE to ACT on their homosexual orientation, but it is still there. They are still gay. Even Joe Dallas of EXODUS admits this is true, explaining that “ex-gay” is “really just a convenient way of saying “a Christian WITH homosexual tendencies who would rather not HAVE those tendencies”.

By: Nick R

Nick R — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:28:11 +0000

I think we should take a lesson from these Christians. When we hear of violence done to Christians we should not speak out and say that doing them violence is wrong. Nope, we should just talk about how everyone should sing kumbaya and get along, all the while making sure everyone knows how we hate Christians and make sure they are denied the same rights and privileges everyone else gets.

That is truly a Christ-centered response. Thankfully, we have all these wonderful God-fearing Christians modeling that response for us. They truly are following the Great Commandments that Jesus taught.

By: jayhuck

jayhuck — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:36:20 +0000

Dave G.

Any efforts toward coercion, force, punishment, persecution, violence or harassment will prove counterproductive.

You think?

By: jayhuck

jayhuck — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:35:29 +0000

Dave G –

With all due respect even many so-called “former homosexuals” are still gay. Saying no one HAS to be gay is not speaking the Truth – or do we need to bring in those who are Ex-Ex gay to tell us why.

By: Dave G.

Dave G. — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:19:13 +0000

Christians are called to witness to God’s Truth –that’s what being a Christian means. But they can also witness non-vocally by displaying the simple message: “You don’t have to be gay to love one another. –In fact, you don’t HAVE to be gay at all! No one does.”

Follow-up, if questions are asked, would be to engage in loving dialog, sharing the testimonies of former homosexuals who’ve “been there, done that; and it doesn’t work.” That, plus the message of a heavenly Father who never stops loving you, warns that certain behaviors have devastating consequences which can be avoided, and forgiveness is always available for anyone who wants to turn their lives around to following the Way of Christ Jesus. His Good News is that the reign of Love and Righteousness is the threshold of heaven –available to all of us sinners if we repent (turn our lives around to live a new life).

Any efforts toward coercion, force, punishment, persecution, violence or harassment will prove counterproductive.