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	Comments on: Religion and the 2008 election: A conversation with Paul Kengor, Fred Barnes and Michael Medved	</title>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71590</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In all fairness Drowssap -- you also took his words a bit out of context - what he said is:



&lt;i&gt;My job this morning is to be so persuasive…that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack.&lt;/i&gt;



I think he was speaking to a group at Dartmouth.  I&#039;m also not convinced that there isn&#039;t a good deal of tongue-in-cheekness in his remarks :)



I&#039;m not saying I&#039;ve been happy by all of his remarks, but I do know how easy it is for such things to be taken out of context when you are in the public spotlight.  I&#039;m also sure he&#039;s made mistakes in his speeches, and I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll make more.  Whether he&#039;s creepy or not is up for debate.  At least he&#039;s no Dan Quayle ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness Drowssap &#8212; you also took his words a bit out of context &#8211; what he said is:</p>
<p><i>My job this morning is to be so persuasive…that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack.</i></p>
<p>I think he was speaking to a group at Dartmouth.  I&#8217;m also not convinced that there isn&#8217;t a good deal of tongue-in-cheekness in his remarks 🙂</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;ve been happy by all of his remarks, but I do know how easy it is for such things to be taken out of context when you are in the public spotlight.  I&#8217;m also sure he&#8217;s made mistakes in his speeches, and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll make more.  Whether he&#8217;s creepy or not is up for debate.  At least he&#8217;s no Dan Quayle 😉</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71589</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;jayhuck &lt;/strong&gt;



There are liberals everywhere, but clearly more live on the coasts.  The problem Obama has is...



According to his supporters

Rev Wright was taken out of context

Michelle Obama&#039;s statement that she has never proud of America was taken out of context

When Obama called his grandmother a &quot;typical white person&quot; his supporters claim that&#039;s out of context.

When Obama said that Middle American&#039;s are bitter and they cling to guns and religion that&#039;s out of context.



That will work (sort of) during a Dem primary because most liberals agree with those statements in ANY context.  But in the general election that won&#039;t wash.



To me personally his creepiest statements are those that compare his campaign to a religious awakening.



“… a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany … and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama”



My creep-o-meter goes to 11 on that one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>jayhuck </strong></p>
<p>There are liberals everywhere, but clearly more live on the coasts.  The problem Obama has is&#8230;</p>
<p>According to his supporters</p>
<p>Rev Wright was taken out of context</p>
<p>Michelle Obama&#8217;s statement that she has never proud of America was taken out of context</p>
<p>When Obama called his grandmother a &#8220;typical white person&#8221; his supporters claim that&#8217;s out of context.</p>
<p>When Obama said that Middle American&#8217;s are bitter and they cling to guns and religion that&#8217;s out of context.</p>
<p>That will work (sort of) during a Dem primary because most liberals agree with those statements in ANY context.  But in the general election that won&#8217;t wash.</p>
<p>To me personally his creepiest statements are those that compare his campaign to a religious awakening.</p>
<p>“… a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany … and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama”</p>
<p>My creep-o-meter goes to 11 on that one.</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71588</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Drowssap -



&lt;i&gt;No, I mean right out of the liberal playbook that people from the midwest wouldn’t trust a man just because he’s black. He’s implying that people in flyover country are backwards or racist or whatever. The only reason I semi-forgive him for it is because of the laughter at the end of it. If there was some humor in it I cut him some slack.&lt;/i&gt;



Are you assuming there are no liberals in the midwest?  I did not get the sense that he was actually saying people were backwards - and I&#039;m from the Midwest :)  I truly think his message was misinterpreted and used by his opponents to mean something more offensive than was its intent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drowssap &#8211;</p>
<p><i>No, I mean right out of the liberal playbook that people from the midwest wouldn’t trust a man just because he’s black. He’s implying that people in flyover country are backwards or racist or whatever. The only reason I semi-forgive him for it is because of the laughter at the end of it. If there was some humor in it I cut him some slack.</i></p>
<p>Are you assuming there are no liberals in the midwest?  I did not get the sense that he was actually saying people were backwards &#8211; and I&#8217;m from the Midwest 🙂  I truly think his message was misinterpreted and used by his opponents to mean something more offensive than was its intent.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71587</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right On!



From the original story:



Obama said this in 1995

&quot;I am surprised at how many elected officials--even the good ones--spend so much time talking about the mechanics of politics and not matters of substance.&quot;



Kind of funny considering he said this in Jan 2008...



&quot;... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama&quot;



That was a regular part of his campaign speech according to Newsweek magazine

&quot;the senator was fond of telling audiences that &quot;at some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you’ll say, ‘I have to vote for Barack.&quot;



Was that the substance he felt was lacking back in 1995?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right On!</p>
<p>From the original story:</p>
<p>Obama said this in 1995</p>
<p>&#8220;I am surprised at how many elected officials&#8211;even the good ones&#8211;spend so much time talking about the mechanics of politics and not matters of substance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kind of funny considering he said this in Jan 2008&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany &#8230; and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama&#8221;</p>
<p>That was a regular part of his campaign speech according to Newsweek magazine</p>
<p>&#8220;the senator was fond of telling audiences that &#8220;at some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you’ll say, ‘I have to vote for Barack.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was that the substance he felt was lacking back in 1995?</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71586</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/obama_flashback_1.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link to the MMM story...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/obama_flashback_1.asp" rel="nofollow">link to the MMM story&#8230;</a></p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71585</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And now this...



Obama marched in and helped organize Farrakhan&#039;s Million Man March back in 1995.



Might be better links but I heard about this, googled and this is what came up.



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002750.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;



&lt;strong&gt;Next question:&lt;/strong&gt; Has Obama ever met with Farrakhan?  That might explain why Farrakhan endorsed him so heartily.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now this&#8230;</p>
<p>Obama marched in and helped organize Farrakhan&#8217;s Million Man March back in 1995.</p>
<p>Might be better links but I heard about this, googled and this is what came up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002750.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p><strong>Next question:</strong> Has Obama ever met with Farrakhan?  That might explain why Farrakhan endorsed him so heartily.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama&#039;s problem is that he&#039;s still a bit of an unknown.  So most of his appeal is based on the personal, on charisma.



While McCain or Clinton can say something truly stupid, people are familiar with their positions and eventually they let that single moment pass as the preponderance of their experience with the candidate outweighs the incidental.



But there is no preponderance with Obama.  So any single gaffe can hurt him badly.  There isn&#039;t enough counterbalance of history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s problem is that he&#8217;s still a bit of an unknown.  So most of his appeal is based on the personal, on charisma.</p>
<p>While McCain or Clinton can say something truly stupid, people are familiar with their positions and eventually they let that single moment pass as the preponderance of their experience with the candidate outweighs the incidental.</p>
<p>But there is no preponderance with Obama.  So any single gaffe can hurt him badly.  There isn&#8217;t enough counterbalance of history.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jayhuck - The context means to me that he does not blame racism for his poorer showing in PA and Ohio. But his view of small town Midwest as bitter and disillusioned people clinging to their Bibles and guns still comes through. As I understand it he is explaining why he is not doing better than Hillary in those places. Perhaps these folks are waiting for some specifics about how he might address their issues. All he is offering on the stump is generalities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jayhuck &#8211; The context means to me that he does not blame racism for his poorer showing in PA and Ohio. But his view of small town Midwest as bitter and disillusioned people clinging to their Bibles and guns still comes through. As I understand it he is explaining why he is not doing better than Hillary in those places. Perhaps these folks are waiting for some specifics about how he might address their issues. All he is offering on the stump is generalities.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/10/religionandthe2008election/#comment-71582</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But on &lt;a href=&quot;http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080414/D901BHN85.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; I cut him no slack.



On Hillary&#039;s comments...



&quot;She knows better. Shame on her. Shame on her,&quot;



How dare Hillary attack Obama during the Democrat primary.

WAaaaaaaaah.....



I watched the video from Drudge and he gets angry.  The guy needs to realize he is in a particularly prissy democrat primary.  Didn&#039;t he watch the GOP nearly tear itself apart over McCain?  WUSS!!!



/btw if you watch the video the gloves are off, he is in full, 100% attack mode, his Mother Theresa halo is gone]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But on <a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080414/D901BHN85.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> I cut him no slack.</p>
<p>On Hillary&#8217;s comments&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;She knows better. Shame on her. Shame on her,&#8221;</p>
<p>How dare Hillary attack Obama during the Democrat primary.</p>
<p>WAaaaaaaaah&#8230;..</p>
<p>I watched the video from Drudge and he gets angry.  The guy needs to realize he is in a particularly prissy democrat primary.  Didn&#8217;t he watch the GOP nearly tear itself apart over McCain?  WUSS!!!</p>
<p>/btw if you watch the video the gloves are off, he is in full, 100% attack mode, his Mother Theresa halo is gone</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;jayhuck&lt;/strong&gt;



No, I mean right out of the liberal playbook that people from the midwest wouldn&#039;t trust a man just because he&#039;s black.  He&#039;s implying that people in flyover country are backwards or racist or whatever.  The only reason I semi-forgive him for it is because of the laughter at the end of it.  If there was some humor in it I cut him some slack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>jayhuck</strong></p>
<p>No, I mean right out of the liberal playbook that people from the midwest wouldn&#8217;t trust a man just because he&#8217;s black.  He&#8217;s implying that people in flyover country are backwards or racist or whatever.  The only reason I semi-forgive him for it is because of the laughter at the end of it.  If there was some humor in it I cut him some slack.</p>
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