Acts Chapter 8 tells the story of the Ethopian eunuch — a person who certainly would have been shunned in Old testament time, but whom Peter baptized. Deuteronomy 23:1 says, “No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.”

Though he had traveled to Jerusalem to worship, he would have still been considered an outsider and foreigner and could not fully participate in the activities of the assembly. However, this would not be true in Christ, where all who come may have full participation and fellowship with God.

Warren thinks that some gay folks like me might be “eunuchs from birth” — those who have no sexual interest at all in the opposite sex. If that is so, we did not learn or choose our sexual orientation. We were born than way.

I agree with Warren that this may be true. The big difference is that Warren thinks I should always be celibate — and NEVER use the fully functioning sexual system — genitalia, hormones and drives — that God gave me. To me, that makes no sense at all. God also gave me eyes. Should I wear a blindfold? He gave me legs. Should I lie down and never move? .

And yes, folks are spot on that now intersexed people can no longer hide with the times in which we live. But barring the initial angst of that — perhaps that is a good thing for everyone: that the God of the Bible so interpreted to shun anyone but pure male/female heterosexuals, has a different framework for those He has brought in to existence.

From my journey into ex-gay land, when those who were gay due to trauma of some kind were addressed, it left a large percentage of us who simply were “different” from other boys/girls growing up – long before any adolescent sex drive kicked in. Exodus acknowledges this, yet says it can be remedied, uh, repaired. And now the numbers have come out in the wash both with recent studies and ex-ex-gays coming out of the closet.

If constitutionally gay people can view transsexuals and intersexuals as allies rather than enemies, real change can occur.

And yes, I am well aware that medically I am neither truly, solely male nor female. Why is it such a reach to see that gay men and women can be phenotypically male or female and yet some kind of hardwiring *did* occur that renders them “not straight”?

Why?…try one’s understanding of faith and God.

Not exactly. Chimeraism is multiple sets of DNA. I only have one set of DNAas far as I know. I honestly can’t afford the test to see if its chimeraism, the chance of chimeraism is so low it’s not likely by sheer statistics.

My moasicism most likely started by me being concieved of as XXY. After this, it diverged, cells try to correct itself sometimes essentially. Some drop an X, some drop a Y. This leads to my mixture.

Chimeraism is literally merged twins, which as far as we know is not the case with me. Mosaicism is more common place than chimeraism, as far as we know anyway.

Just a question – hope it does not offend – if so let me know.

Being a mosain – does that have some characteristics similar to chimerism??

It’s not as if this is the first time something like this has happened without incident, again, as has already been mentioned.

May I suggest you re-read the previous posts, then if you have any evidence that would contradict them, please let us know. It’s not as if we’re infallible. On the other hand, mere conjectures not backed by evidence aren’t very helpful. Maybe you could at least tell us the facts that led you to your opinions? We can then discuss matters in a rational way. Not merely stating unsubstantiated opinions, but elucidating substantiated ones.

There’s more of us than most people realise, isn’t there?

Hope your condition doesn’t cause too many problems.

One thing you may not know. 47xxy cells are selected against during cell turnover. That means someone 40%-46xx, 40%-47xxy and 20%-46xy will tend to look male initially, as 60% of cells are xy or xxy. But over time, this will change to 60%-46xx, 10%-47xxy, and 30%-46xy. That can lead to increased male fertility, with a general feminisation.

That was thought to be the likely cause of my syndrome, but the blood Karyotype showed 46xy, to everyone’s astonishment. That just did not gel with what was happening somatically, let alone the hormone assays. Nearly 3 years later, we still don’t know exactly what’s going on. I’m seeing Prof A.Steinbeck again tomorrow for another assessment.

In Australia, where I live, TS had been accepted as an IS condition since 2003. The same in Spain and a few other places.

See this opinion from the Full Bench of the Australian Family Court:

At paragraph [272]: ‘In my view the evidence demonstrates (at least on the balance of probabilities) that the characteristics of transsexuals are as much “biological” as those of people thought of as inter-sex’.

So not proven absolutely, but on the balance of probabilities. That was in 2003, and the evidence in support continues to come in, with none against.

“Radiologists can now confirm what transsexuals report – that they feel “trapped in the wrong body” – on the basis of the activation of the brain when presented with erotic stimuli. There is obviously a biological correlation with the subjective feelings.” – ArzteZeitung 2007

Again, anecdotal evidence, but close on 50% of MtoF people I know have significant IS conditions in addition to being TS. The only Transman I know is also a mosaic, 90% 46xx, 10% 46xy. (+/- 5%)

It would be nice to be allowed to merge into the woodwork and not make waves, as we historically have done. But we can’t, now.