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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It should be pointed out that the God of the Bible does NOT &quot;shun anyone but pure male/female heterosexuals&quot;.



Acts Chapter 8 tells the story of the Ethopian eunuch -- a person who certainly &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; have been shunned in Old testament time, but whom Peter baptized.  Deuteronomy 23:1 says, &lt;em&gt;“No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.” &lt;/em&gt;



Though he had traveled to Jerusalem to worship, he would have still been considered an outsider and foreigner and could not fully participate in the activities of the assembly. However, this would not be true in Christ, where all who come may have full participation and fellowship with God.



Warren thinks that some gay folks like me might be &quot;eunuchs from birth&quot; -- those who have no sexual interest at all in the opposite sex.  If that is so, we did not learn or choose our sexual orientation.  We were born than way.



I agree with Warren that this may be true.  The big difference is that Warren thinks I should always be celibate -- and NEVER use the fully functioning sexual system -- genitalia, hormones and drives -- that God gave me.  To me, that makes no sense at all.  God also gave me eyes.  Should I wear a blindfold?  He gave me legs.  Should I lie down and never move?  .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be pointed out that the God of the Bible does NOT &#8220;shun anyone but pure male/female heterosexuals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Acts Chapter 8 tells the story of the Ethopian eunuch &#8212; a person who certainly <em>would</em> have been shunned in Old testament time, but whom Peter baptized.  Deuteronomy 23:1 says, <em>“No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.” </em></p>
<p>Though he had traveled to Jerusalem to worship, he would have still been considered an outsider and foreigner and could not fully participate in the activities of the assembly. However, this would not be true in Christ, where all who come may have full participation and fellowship with God.</p>
<p>Warren thinks that some gay folks like me might be &#8220;eunuchs from birth&#8221; &#8212; those who have no sexual interest at all in the opposite sex.  If that is so, we did not learn or choose our sexual orientation.  We were born than way.</p>
<p>I agree with Warren that this may be true.  The big difference is that Warren thinks I should always be celibate &#8212; and NEVER use the fully functioning sexual system &#8212; genitalia, hormones and drives &#8212; that God gave me.  To me, that makes no sense at all.  God also gave me eyes.  Should I wear a blindfold?  He gave me legs.  Should I lie down and never move?  .</p>
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		By: AM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have suspected now for a couple of years that intersexism is the lynchpin for the understanding of homosexuality -- and its seeming immutability in the lives of Christians desperate to change.  IOW the &quot;Third Sex&quot; concept may not be so anachronistic after all.



And yes, folks are spot on that now intersexed people can no longer hide with the times in which we live.  But barring the initial angst of that -- perhaps that is a good thing for everyone:  that the God of the Bible so interpreted to shun anyone but pure male/female heterosexuals, has a different framework for those He has brought in to existence.



From my journey into ex-gay land, when those who were gay due to trauma of some kind were addressed, it left a large percentage of us who simply were &quot;different&quot; from other boys/girls growing up - long before any adolescent sex drive kicked in.  Exodus acknowledges this, yet says it can be remedied, uh, repaired.  And now the numbers have come out in the wash both with recent studies and ex-ex-gays coming out of the closet.



If  constitutionally gay people can view transsexuals and intersexuals as allies rather than enemies, real change can occur.



And yes, I am well aware that medically I am neither truly, solely male nor female.  Why is it such a reach to see that gay men and women can be phenotypically male or female and yet some kind of hardwiring *did* occur that renders them &quot;not straight&quot;?



Why?...try one&#039;s understanding of faith and God.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have suspected now for a couple of years that intersexism is the lynchpin for the understanding of homosexuality &#8212; and its seeming immutability in the lives of Christians desperate to change.  IOW the &#8220;Third Sex&#8221; concept may not be so anachronistic after all.</p>
<p>And yes, folks are spot on that now intersexed people can no longer hide with the times in which we live.  But barring the initial angst of that &#8212; perhaps that is a good thing for everyone:  that the God of the Bible so interpreted to shun anyone but pure male/female heterosexuals, has a different framework for those He has brought in to existence.</p>
<p>From my journey into ex-gay land, when those who were gay due to trauma of some kind were addressed, it left a large percentage of us who simply were &#8220;different&#8221; from other boys/girls growing up &#8211; long before any adolescent sex drive kicked in.  Exodus acknowledges this, yet says it can be remedied, uh, repaired.  And now the numbers have come out in the wash both with recent studies and ex-ex-gays coming out of the closet.</p>
<p>If  constitutionally gay people can view transsexuals and intersexuals as allies rather than enemies, real change can occur.</p>
<p>And yes, I am well aware that medically I am neither truly, solely male nor female.  Why is it such a reach to see that gay men and women can be phenotypically male or female and yet some kind of hardwiring *did* occur that renders them &#8220;not straight&#8221;?</p>
<p>Why?&#8230;try one&#8217;s understanding of faith and God.</p>
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		By: Pathia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mary,



Not exactly.  Chimeraism is multiple sets of DNA.  I only have one set of DNAas far as I know.  I honestly can&#039;t afford the test to see if its chimeraism, the chance of chimeraism is so low it&#039;s not likely by sheer statistics.



My moasicism most likely started by me being concieved of as XXY.  After this, it diverged, cells try to correct itself sometimes essentially.  Some drop an X, some drop a Y.  This leads to my mixture.



Chimeraism is literally merged twins, which as far as we know is not the case with me.  Mosaicism is  more common place than chimeraism, as far as we know anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>Not exactly.  Chimeraism is multiple sets of DNA.  I only have one set of DNAas far as I know.  I honestly can&#8217;t afford the test to see if its chimeraism, the chance of chimeraism is so low it&#8217;s not likely by sheer statistics.</p>
<p>My moasicism most likely started by me being concieved of as XXY.  After this, it diverged, cells try to correct itself sometimes essentially.  Some drop an X, some drop a Y.  This leads to my mixture.</p>
<p>Chimeraism is literally merged twins, which as far as we know is not the case with me.  Mosaicism is  more common place than chimeraism, as far as we know anyway.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Men have been known to lactate]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men have been known to lactate</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will this child receive mother&#039;s milk or will they require a wet-nurse? It&#039;s a shame science hasn&#039;t developed a way to make the wife&#039;s breasts lactate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this child receive mother&#8217;s milk or will they require a wet-nurse? It&#8217;s a shame science hasn&#8217;t developed a way to make the wife&#8217;s breasts lactate.</p>
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