Also, women seem to have constitutional “reproductive rights” that men will never have… we’re fathers if and when she says so… sometimes even if we arent even the “father” (see above)!

Sorry friend, men and women are certainly NOT treated equally under the law… especially when it comes to family law. Which, as it so happens, is exactly what we’re discussing here when we talk about “equal marriage”…

Separate simply isn’t.

PS: You probably should avoid marrying someone of the opposite sex who you don’t love and aren’t attracted to. But then, nobody said you had to. Only that you can, if you want to. Same as me.

Men and women do NOT have unequal rights under the law. I fully recognize men and women are not equal – many men are not equal to each other and many women are not equal to each other either – the point is that, under the law, we ARE treated equally.

For me to have to marry someone of the opposite sex whom I don’t love and to whom I am not attracted would indeed be second class. Luckily, in the United States and in many other countries, I wouldn’t have to worry about that, because same-sex marriage is legal 😉 Sorry my friend 😉

However, if you would like me to further denigrate marriage, I could easily marry one of my friends simply for the benefits and we could each carry on our own separate romantic lives – I already know a few gay men and women who have done this. Do you truly believe this furthers the cause of marriage?

Men and women are not equal. Not physically, not emotionally, and certainly not legally. And that’s a good thing — men and women are just too different to be treated equally. We have different, and unequal rights, under the law.

So, are two women equal to two men equal to a man and wife? Impossible! No more than two apples are “equal” to two oranges are “equal” to an apple and an orange.

If you want a marriage that is equal to my own, then you’re going to have to marry the opposite sex. Sorry friend, anything else would be second-class.

I don’t understand what you mean by separate but equal? Do you perhaps not have a good understanding of what equality under the law means? It doesn’t mean we are all EQUAL, but it does mean that we are to be treated equally. I believe your “separate but equal” argument – at least the way you like to frame it – is similar to the arguments made against interracial marriages in the past.

As for what you can imagine, if your imagination is limited or if the yuck factor is a problem for you, then maybe you should open your mind a bit. I have plenty of straight friends who think like you, but I don’t believe them for a minute. Then again, I’ve chosen to close my mind to the possibility… maybe you have too. We could both choose to open them.

Meanwhile, jayhuck continues to argue for a “separate but equal” version of equality… but I’m not buying… it may work for jayhuck’s love life, but it sure seems like an injustice for the child with no father — just an extra mom.