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	Comments on: An antiboy antibody? Problems for the &#8220;maternal immune hypothesis&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wait a minute, I&#039;m getting Bogaert confused with another guy.



James Cantor, is the gay researcher at CAMH.  I happen to like the quotes of his that I read online.  Solid guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute, I&#8217;m getting Bogaert confused with another guy.</p>
<p>James Cantor, is the gay researcher at CAMH.  I happen to like the quotes of his that I read online.  Solid guy.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Timothy Kincaid&lt;/b&gt;



Yeah, I can see your point.  Hmmm...



I don&#039;t know first hand but I don&#039;t feel like the work coming out of CAMH is advocacy research for either side.



I&#039;ve read quotes from Anthony Bogaert online and he sounded like a serious guy.  Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but isn&#039;t Bogaert gay?  I don&#039;t mean that disqualifies him at all.  If I remember correctly his mind is pretty much open but he rejects a strong genetic explanation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Timothy Kincaid</b></p>
<p>Yeah, I can see your point.  Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know first hand but I don&#8217;t feel like the work coming out of CAMH is advocacy research for either side.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read quotes from Anthony Bogaert online and he sounded like a serious guy.  Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but isn&#8217;t Bogaert gay?  I don&#8217;t mean that disqualifies him at all.  If I remember correctly his mind is pretty much open but he rejects a strong genetic explanation.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Drowsap,



What Dr. Whitehead was saying, as best I can tell, is that gay men who were adopted would somehow make their decision to participate or not participate based on whether they had older brothers.



I think Dr. Whitehead believes that gay people participate in studies only if we think it will advance some social agenda.  I suspect he believes that adopted gay men with older brothers saw this as a chance to prove biological etiology.



I think the doctor&#039;s position displays a great ignorance about gay people - and indeed people in general.  In order to believe his notion,



1.  Gay men would have to have heard of the Fraternal Birth Order phenominon - by FAR, most haven&#039;t



2.  THe authors would have had to make it clear to potential participants that they were trying to prove the FBO - something I find extremely unlikely



3.  Gay men would have to greatly care whether the FBO was true.  They don&#039;t.  Most gay men are interested when they hear the headlines about some new &quot;cause&quot; or study, but they really don&#039;t care enough to read about it.  Most intuit that their orientation is natural to them and assume they &quot;were born this way&quot; and beyond that they neither know nor care if it&#039;s hormones, genes, or Gerber strained peas.



I find each of the three above to be unlikely.  To think that all three are true and thus the study is invalid seems to suggest to me that there is indeed faulty thinking, but not with the study or its participants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drowsap,</p>
<p>What Dr. Whitehead was saying, as best I can tell, is that gay men who were adopted would somehow make their decision to participate or not participate based on whether they had older brothers.</p>
<p>I think Dr. Whitehead believes that gay people participate in studies only if we think it will advance some social agenda.  I suspect he believes that adopted gay men with older brothers saw this as a chance to prove biological etiology.</p>
<p>I think the doctor&#8217;s position displays a great ignorance about gay people &#8211; and indeed people in general.  In order to believe his notion,</p>
<p>1.  Gay men would have to have heard of the Fraternal Birth Order phenominon &#8211; by FAR, most haven&#8217;t</p>
<p>2.  THe authors would have had to make it clear to potential participants that they were trying to prove the FBO &#8211; something I find extremely unlikely</p>
<p>3.  Gay men would have to greatly care whether the FBO was true.  They don&#8217;t.  Most gay men are interested when they hear the headlines about some new &#8220;cause&#8221; or study, but they really don&#8217;t care enough to read about it.  Most intuit that their orientation is natural to them and assume they &#8220;were born this way&#8221; and beyond that they neither know nor care if it&#8217;s hormones, genes, or Gerber strained peas.</p>
<p>I find each of the three above to be unlikely.  To think that all three are true and thus the study is invalid seems to suggest to me that there is indeed faulty thinking, but not with the study or its participants.</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren,



Has this research been duplicated?  And what does &quot;more frequently&quot; mean exactly?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,</p>
<p>Has this research been duplicated?  And what does &#8220;more frequently&#8221; mean exactly?</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren -



&lt;i&gt;As an aside, I have been reading some research which suggests that the erotic orientation of men becomes more channelized than for women; meaning that in brain scans, for instance, men show very specific reactions to their preferred object of sexual attraction, whereas, women more frequently demonstrate sexual arousal to images of both gender.&lt;/i&gt;



Is this true across cultures?  We know that men in different cultures behave differently when it comes to their behavior with other men.  I&#039;m betting this is just a western phenomenon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren &#8211;</p>
<p><i>As an aside, I have been reading some research which suggests that the erotic orientation of men becomes more channelized than for women; meaning that in brain scans, for instance, men show very specific reactions to their preferred object of sexual attraction, whereas, women more frequently demonstrate sexual arousal to images of both gender.</i></p>
<p>Is this true across cultures?  We know that men in different cultures behave differently when it comes to their behavior with other men.  I&#8217;m betting this is just a western phenomenon.</p>
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