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	Comments on: Heartland Church purity siege video describes sexual identity struggle	</title>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike--

I don&#039;t see the connection between your first statement directed at me and the rest of your comment. I was speaking to Warren&#039;s comments and to the video itself. It seems you are on another thread discussing heresy, phony healings, un-Christian witness and Oden coming across arrogant. If we need to discuss those issues, please steer me to the thread where we&#039;re actually having that conversation. If we aren&#039;t having that conversation on some other thread, please support the 4 charges.

  The point of this topic seems to be that there are needy people out there; what can be done to reach them? I&#039;ve been puzzled for years as to why gay Christians don&#039;t seem to evangelize much. Oak Lawn/Cedar Springs seems to be an ideal spot to focus such efforts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike&#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the connection between your first statement directed at me and the rest of your comment. I was speaking to Warren&#8217;s comments and to the video itself. It seems you are on another thread discussing heresy, phony healings, un-Christian witness and Oden coming across arrogant. If we need to discuss those issues, please steer me to the thread where we&#8217;re actually having that conversation. If we aren&#8217;t having that conversation on some other thread, please support the 4 charges.</p>
<p>  The point of this topic seems to be that there are needy people out there; what can be done to reach them? I&#8217;ve been puzzled for years as to why gay Christians don&#8217;t seem to evangelize much. Oak Lawn/Cedar Springs seems to be an ideal spot to focus such efforts.</p>
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		By: Mike Airhart		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Airhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,



I&#039;m not sure whom you believe is disagreeing with Heartland&#039;s evangelism.



What bugs me about Heartland is, as I&#039;ve said, its heresy, its phony healings, and ultimately its un-Christian witness. Evangelism is fine if the evangelists are behaving in a Christ-like manner. Oden behaved like an arrogant practitioner of magic tricks -- not like the Jesus that I know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whom you believe is disagreeing with Heartland&#8217;s evangelism.</p>
<p>What bugs me about Heartland is, as I&#8217;ve said, its heresy, its phony healings, and ultimately its un-Christian witness. Evangelism is fine if the evangelists are behaving in a Christ-like manner. Oden behaved like an arrogant practitioner of magic tricks &#8212; not like the Jesus that I know.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim&#039;s comments puzzle me. What is the point behind suggesting that the young man was intoxicated? What are we supposed to presume or assume from this? Where does Jim&#039;s comment re lying about age fit? There&#039;s absolutely nothing in the story to support or negate such a charge. I don&#039;t understand why Jim felt the need to inject this generalization.



Warren makes an interesting point. The video depicts a younger (than me at least!) gay man who is out partying on a weekend. On the surface, even he isn&#039;t always aware of his heart&#039;s desire for God but--the singing draws him. The singers are Christians. It&#039;s clear they believe that homosexual acts are sin and yet he feels love from them not condemnation. In the course of the awkward interview, the young man reveals that his heart has always desired to live a life pleasing to God but that his struggles with homosexuality interfered in a big way. I believe he represents many others who are in the same boat.



Heartland takes its evangelistic message to many areas but its the outreach to gay areas that garners media attention. The young man demonstrates that there is a need to bring the Gospel message out on the streets; there are people &#039;out there&#039; who are searching for answers. Some may disagree with Heartland&#039;s view that homosexual behavior is sin but it&#039;s clear that the young man already believed this himself. Nothing prevents gay Christians from reaching out as well. If one feels called to be &#039;a fisher of men&#039;, Oak Lawn/Cedar Springs is an excellent fishing spot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s comments puzzle me. What is the point behind suggesting that the young man was intoxicated? What are we supposed to presume or assume from this? Where does Jim&#8217;s comment re lying about age fit? There&#8217;s absolutely nothing in the story to support or negate such a charge. I don&#8217;t understand why Jim felt the need to inject this generalization.</p>
<p>Warren makes an interesting point. The video depicts a younger (than me at least!) gay man who is out partying on a weekend. On the surface, even he isn&#8217;t always aware of his heart&#8217;s desire for God but&#8211;the singing draws him. The singers are Christians. It&#8217;s clear they believe that homosexual acts are sin and yet he feels love from them not condemnation. In the course of the awkward interview, the young man reveals that his heart has always desired to live a life pleasing to God but that his struggles with homosexuality interfered in a big way. I believe he represents many others who are in the same boat.</p>
<p>Heartland takes its evangelistic message to many areas but its the outreach to gay areas that garners media attention. The young man demonstrates that there is a need to bring the Gospel message out on the streets; there are people &#8216;out there&#8217; who are searching for answers. Some may disagree with Heartland&#8217;s view that homosexual behavior is sin but it&#8217;s clear that the young man already believed this himself. Nothing prevents gay Christians from reaching out as well. If one feels called to be &#8216;a fisher of men&#8217;, Oak Lawn/Cedar Springs is an excellent fishing spot.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg was a very sympathetic character in that interview.



IMHO]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg was a very sympathetic character in that interview.</p>
<p>IMHO</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim,



&lt;i&gt; Not uncommon for those who hang out in gay bars.&lt;/i&gt;



I&#039;m kind of curious how you know this.  Firsthand experience?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p><i> Not uncommon for those who hang out in gay bars.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of curious how you know this.  Firsthand experience?</p>
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