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		By: James E. Phelan		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/12/05/apa-declines-to-meet-with-religious-coalition/#comment-67029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James E. Phelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Warren (and others), but I don’t see it that way. I don’t “distance” myself from brilliant scholars based on people’s interpretation of them, or in one infraction.  If that would be the case, I’d have nothing to do with you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Warren (and others), but I don’t see it that way. I don’t “distance” myself from brilliant scholars based on people’s interpretation of them, or in one infraction.  If that would be the case, I’d have nothing to do with you.</p>
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		By: David Roberts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim, if you want to defend NARTH it&#039;s going to be a full time job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, if you want to defend NARTH it&#8217;s going to be a full time job.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/12/05/apa-declines-to-meet-with-religious-coalition/#comment-67027</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim - On this point, I agree with Timothy. NARTH&#039;s leadership had ample opportunity to distance the organization from Berger and Schoenewolf but those advisors are still in place. Your frustration about being associated with NARTH is understandable. There is an easy fix for that but it is not to take that frustration out on people who point out the obvious.



The APA is regularly blasted for the direction and policies set by it&#039;s leaders. Regularly blasted by NARTH&#039;s leaders in fact. You cannot have it both ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; On this point, I agree with Timothy. NARTH&#8217;s leadership had ample opportunity to distance the organization from Berger and Schoenewolf but those advisors are still in place. Your frustration about being associated with NARTH is understandable. There is an easy fix for that but it is not to take that frustration out on people who point out the obvious.</p>
<p>The APA is regularly blasted for the direction and policies set by it&#8217;s leaders. Regularly blasted by NARTH&#8217;s leaders in fact. You cannot have it both ways.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I am going to ask you to please stop making these general comments about NARTH: “As they [NARTH] were unwilling to distance themselves from those who favored slavery, mocking as therapy, and sending children out into the snow without a coat…”

This is very deceptive and hateful. You don’t like it when gays are generalized and I don’t appreciate the same being said of a membership that is homogenous, yet diverse, and who does not favor slavery, or child abuse. Stop this propaganda now. Thank you.&lt;/i&gt;



Jim,



NARTH posted on it&#039;s site an article by Gerald Schoenewolf in which he stated that because Africa was a savage jungle that slaves exported &quot;were in many ways better off than they had been in Africa&quot;.  This position, which was in the midst of an article on why the concerns of black Americans should be discounted, betrays a blatant and willful ignorance of history.



Joseph Berber stated the following: “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex - but not counselling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings.  On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world.  Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”



Berger also said “Here in cold Canada, I often talk with mothers of small children who routinely complain about how difficult it is to get their children dressed in the winter in the multiple layers of clothing they need to go off to school. I suggest to them that they make it clear to their children that they will leave home — or that the school bus will come — at such-and-such time, and they will go whether they are ready or not. I suggest that going just one day in their pajamas or underwear will be enough to “cure” them of their procrastination.”



Several reputable voices including Drs. Throckmorton and Blakeslee found such positions to be outside of acceptable practices and objected.  NARTH refused to distance themselves from the statements of Berger and Schoenwolf.



Both Berger and Schoenwolf are currently on the NARTH advisory committee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am going to ask you to please stop making these general comments about NARTH: “As they [NARTH] were unwilling to distance themselves from those who favored slavery, mocking as therapy, and sending children out into the snow without a coat…”</p>
<p>This is very deceptive and hateful. You don’t like it when gays are generalized and I don’t appreciate the same being said of a membership that is homogenous, yet diverse, and who does not favor slavery, or child abuse. Stop this propaganda now. Thank you.</i></p>
<p>Jim,</p>
<p>NARTH posted on it&#8217;s site an article by Gerald Schoenewolf in which he stated that because Africa was a savage jungle that slaves exported &#8220;were in many ways better off than they had been in Africa&#8221;.  This position, which was in the midst of an article on why the concerns of black Americans should be discounted, betrays a blatant and willful ignorance of history.</p>
<p>Joseph Berber stated the following: “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex &#8211; but not counselling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings.  On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world.  Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”</p>
<p>Berger also said “Here in cold Canada, I often talk with mothers of small children who routinely complain about how difficult it is to get their children dressed in the winter in the multiple layers of clothing they need to go off to school. I suggest to them that they make it clear to their children that they will leave home — or that the school bus will come — at such-and-such time, and they will go whether they are ready or not. I suggest that going just one day in their pajamas or underwear will be enough to “cure” them of their procrastination.”</p>
<p>Several reputable voices including Drs. Throckmorton and Blakeslee found such positions to be outside of acceptable practices and objected.  NARTH refused to distance themselves from the statements of Berger and Schoenwolf.</p>
<p>Both Berger and Schoenwolf are currently on the NARTH advisory committee.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/12/05/apa-declines-to-meet-with-religious-coalition/#comment-67025</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It was disappointing to read that you would not answer the question posed to you as to whether you believe that homosexuality is a disorder.&lt;/i&gt;



Jag,



Please don&#039;t be disappointed - I did respond - look at #71389.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was disappointing to read that you would not answer the question posed to you as to whether you believe that homosexuality is a disorder.</i></p>
<p>Jag,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t be disappointed &#8211; I did respond &#8211; look at #71389.</p>
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