AND, you are welcome 🙂

I really appreciate your honesty here – thank you.

Thanks for saying so 🙂

Jayhuck,

I really appreciate your honesty here – thank you.

Jayhuck,

I agree with you 100% on this 🙂

I mean, by saying that “heterosexuality is no more natural than homosexuality” he can simply make use of the defective nature of these concepts and of our present notion of ‘natural’ (inborn, or supported by nature — instead of deliberate, devised or rehearsed) to put forward a sort of theoretical challenge: until you cannot prove that one is more originary than another, they are both just as originary. He could be just raising the theoretical stake for a social reality’s sake — one he is particularly fond of.

I realize he can do this, or could be doing that – but do you know for certain what he meant by saying that or are you just guessing. Granted, your explanation sounds viable to me, but I’m curious because in the context of the sentence he used it in, he was trying to say that gay people should not see this as a bad thing because…..

You did a great job of keeping it clean and a far better job than I of expressing why it proves interesting for discussions revolving around design 🙂

Please don’t take this as an insult. But your information is completely incorrect.

What you have heard from several men is not even remotely reflective of the standard sexual practices of gay men. I would very much not like to discuss graphic details, but I think that I am better informed on this subject (I’m sure you’d agree) and I can state with absolute certainty that great pleasure is experienced by both parties.

Some heterosexuals misunderstand and think that only one party is experiencing pleasure and the other is being submissive. This is completely wrong. Entirely wrong.

Some persons find much more satisfaction with one role or the other and some find it to be equally pleasurable. Others only enjoy one or the other and some don’t enjoy that particular sex act at all – bodies are different. Often gay men will self-identify (as “top”, “bottom” or “versatile”) but no one presumes that only their preference is pleasurable and that their partner is not experiencing as much pleasure as they are.

Even within basic missionary style heterosexual copulation has different tempos and techniques because different men experience sensations in different ways depending on degrees of friction and particular sensitivities along various segments of skin.

(man, it’s hard to keep this clean)

And there are more than a few heterosexual men who include anal stimulation (their own) into their sex life with women. For some reason they don’t seem to want to loudly discuss this with their buddies over beers.

Anyway, my point is that males (even heterosexual males) experience sexual pleasure from acts that are generally associated with homosexual behavior. Thus if we use “natural design” (ie. sexual stimulae tied to copulation proves its “naturalness”) as the basis for the appropriateness or naturalness of sex, then man is designed for homosexual intercourse.

Let me try and make myself clearer on a point I brought up above. Some men, even gay, will not allow other men inside them because they feel that being the receiver takes away from their masculinity. This isn’t a question of whether they would be able to derive pleasure from stimulation of the prostate, but about how doing so would make them feel about themselves.

Bem is a very intelligent man and he can use these terms in a precise way against their defective conceptual substance. I mean, by saying that “heterosexuality is no more natural than homosexuality” he can simply make use of the defective nature of these concepts and of our present notion of ‘natural’ (inborn, or supported by nature — instead of deliberate, devised or rehearsed) to put forward a sort of theoretical challenge: until you cannot prove that one is more originary than another, they are both just as originary. He could be just raising the theoretical stake for a social reality’s sake — one he is particularly fond of.

Another thing to realize about the prostate is that in order to stimulate it, sometimes you have to get past feeling some pain – and some people who attempt this, never get past the pain part.

I’m sure Warren is shaking his head right now wondering HOW we all managed to get from Duke Labs to the sexual stimulation of the prostate – LOL. It may very well be my fault now that I think about.