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	Comments on: Ex-gay history: Richard Cohen&#8217;s 2000 Exodus Conference presentation	</title>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Jim.



After a very long thread here and a very long thread at XGW - both of which you spent a great time in comments - this is the first we hear that you disapprove of this method.  And though it was quite difficult getting you to that point, thank you for finally getting there.



We can agree that the methods described in Alan&#039;s leter are inappropriate, at best.



So now we must agree that either Alan is lying about Cohen, or that Cohen was behaving inappropriately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jim.</p>
<p>After a very long thread here and a very long thread at XGW &#8211; both of which you spent a great time in comments &#8211; this is the first we hear that you disapprove of this method.  And though it was quite difficult getting you to that point, thank you for finally getting there.</p>
<p>We can agree that the methods described in Alan&#8217;s leter are inappropriate, at best.</p>
<p>So now we must agree that either Alan is lying about Cohen, or that Cohen was behaving inappropriately.</p>
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		By: Jim Phelan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And here comes my friend, Timothy Kincaid’s, formulations.   A,B&#038;C:  If A infers B and B infers C, no, I do not support lying on top of clients.  As far as I know that’s not a “Richard Cohen method”.  As far as criticizing (D) that’s your area of expertise, not mine.  Well, perhaps I am a bit rough on liberals at times.  But even then, you’ll have to agree I do generalize (with exceptions like the Clintons, etc), as you have so graciously pointed out in the past.



In summary,  I do not support lying on top of clients. I have never personally heard Cohen teach counselors to lay on top of clients.  As far a people laying with people, the only thing I ever heard from him was that when he was trained by Martha Welsh she taught family bonding and attachment methods and one included family lying together.  The specifics of this he referred to in her workshops, books, and video tapes, of which I confess I have not fully reviewed. While holding is discussed in his book, COS, it is not referenced in terms of laying on clients.  In the book, it refers to holding without gential touching and the information seems to be provided under mentoring wich is not precribed to the role of the counselor himself.  If you want more information about this you should confer with him personally. Thanks, Jim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here comes my friend, Timothy Kincaid’s, formulations.   A,B&amp;C:  If A infers B and B infers C, no, I do not support lying on top of clients.  As far as I know that’s not a “Richard Cohen method”.  As far as criticizing (D) that’s your area of expertise, not mine.  Well, perhaps I am a bit rough on liberals at times.  But even then, you’ll have to agree I do generalize (with exceptions like the Clintons, etc), as you have so graciously pointed out in the past.</p>
<p>In summary,  I do not support lying on top of clients. I have never personally heard Cohen teach counselors to lay on top of clients.  As far a people laying with people, the only thing I ever heard from him was that when he was trained by Martha Welsh she taught family bonding and attachment methods and one included family lying together.  The specifics of this he referred to in her workshops, books, and video tapes, of which I confess I have not fully reviewed. While holding is discussed in his book, COS, it is not referenced in terms of laying on clients.  In the book, it refers to holding without gential touching and the information seems to be provided under mentoring wich is not precribed to the role of the counselor himself.  If you want more information about this you should confer with him personally. Thanks, Jim.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps my desktop is running some language conversion program because some of the above doesn&#039;t appear to have been originally written in English.



But, as best I can tell, the answer is:



A.  Yes, Jim Phelan supports Richard Cohen&#039;s methods



B.  including those of lying on top of a client



C.  even if it involves one of the parties becoming sexually aroused



D.  and thus he will not criticize Cohen



If I didn&#039;t get that right, Jim, please let me know which of those points were incorrect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps my desktop is running some language conversion program because some of the above doesn&#8217;t appear to have been originally written in English.</p>
<p>But, as best I can tell, the answer is:</p>
<p>A.  Yes, Jim Phelan supports Richard Cohen&#8217;s methods</p>
<p>B.  including those of lying on top of a client</p>
<p>C.  even if it involves one of the parties becoming sexually aroused</p>
<p>D.  and thus he will not criticize Cohen</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t get that right, Jim, please let me know which of those points were incorrect.</p>
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		By: Jim Phelan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Phelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren,



LOL, theraurus program that replaces....., besides the one in my head, no, if I had one I wouldn&#039;t know how to use it anyway.  I&#039;ll look into one though, maybe it will help.



Back to matters -- no, I am not suggesting Alan is lying (as I undersatand it, he wrote the letter and presented, as he himself, saw it).

No, to answer your question; I do not know if he (Cohen) recommends/ed NWT to his clients (or if he participates/ed along with them).   Thanks for asking the source directly though; best answered in that manner. -Jim]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,</p>
<p>LOL, theraurus program that replaces&#8230;.., besides the one in my head, no, if I had one I wouldn&#8217;t know how to use it anyway.  I&#8217;ll look into one though, maybe it will help.</p>
<p>Back to matters &#8212; no, I am not suggesting Alan is lying (as I undersatand it, he wrote the letter and presented, as he himself, saw it).</p>
<p>No, to answer your question; I do not know if he (Cohen) recommends/ed NWT to his clients (or if he participates/ed along with them).   Thanks for asking the source directly though; best answered in that manner. -Jim</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The letter is authentic and comes from Exodus.



Speaking of odd wording, Jim P says:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Rather, they take a hard swing at the alleged other’s perpetuation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Are you suggesting Alan is lying? Alleged other&#039;s perpetration? I do not know why Exodus continued to sell Cohen&#039;s books. You should ask them.



You get the daily blog prize for this one: &quot;Then, the brightened, perhaps an over accentuation of the forgone principle, hence the letter?&quot;



Are you using one of those thesaurus programs which replace words with bigger words?



Anyway, you are dodging the question about whether you would recommend this? And whether, given your knowledge of his trainings, he recommends New Warriors Trainings to his clients and does he participate along with them? And for the record, I have written Richard to ask the same question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The letter is authentic and comes from Exodus.</p>
<p>Speaking of odd wording, Jim P says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rather, they take a hard swing at the alleged other’s perpetuation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you suggesting Alan is lying? Alleged other&#8217;s perpetration? I do not know why Exodus continued to sell Cohen&#8217;s books. You should ask them.</p>
<p>You get the daily blog prize for this one: &#8220;Then, the brightened, perhaps an over accentuation of the forgone principle, hence the letter?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you using one of those thesaurus programs which replace words with bigger words?</p>
<p>Anyway, you are dodging the question about whether you would recommend this? And whether, given your knowledge of his trainings, he recommends New Warriors Trainings to his clients and does he participate along with them? And for the record, I have written Richard to ask the same question.</p>
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