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	Comments on: Montgomery County, MD votes tomorrow on gender identity ordinance	</title>
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		By: Just Jennifer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Jennifer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know this is a bit late, but I live in San Francisco, and I can comment a bit on what that law means.  Here it means that if there is inevitable, and unavoidable nudity &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; the facility cannot easily correct the problem, they have to provide equal accomodations for transgender people.  Otherwise, they have to insure that their is sufficient privacy that there is not a problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a bit late, but I live in San Francisco, and I can comment a bit on what that law means.  Here it means that if there is inevitable, and unavoidable nudity <strong>and</strong> the facility cannot easily correct the problem, they have to provide equal accomodations for transgender people.  Otherwise, they have to insure that their is sufficient privacy that there is not a problem.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mary...you commented:



&quot;“Most transgendered people are reasonable….”



Most people are reasonable.&quot;



Thank you for stating the obvious, that transgendered people are people just like everybody else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary&#8230;you commented:</p>
<p>&#8220;“Most transgendered people are reasonable….”</p>
<p>Most people are reasonable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for stating the obvious, that transgendered people are people just like everybody else.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/12/montgomery-county-md-votes-tomorrow-on-gender-identity-ordinance/#comment-66127</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most transgendered people are reasonable....&quot;



Most people are reasonable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most transgendered people are reasonable&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most people are reasonable.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Assuming that someone will take advantage of an ambiguous law is reality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Kindly provide for me an example of this occuring somewhere in the 14 or so states that currently have transgender non-discrimination policies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Assuming that someone will take advantage of an ambiguous law is reality.</p></blockquote>
<p>Kindly provide for me an example of this occuring somewhere in the 14 or so states that currently have transgender non-discrimination policies.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/12/montgomery-county-md-votes-tomorrow-on-gender-identity-ordinance/#comment-66125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ken,



Assuming that someone will take advantage of an ambiguous law is reality.  Transitional  (not full transgendered) and intersexed people should probably have a separate restroom, locker room, etc..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>Assuming that someone will take advantage of an ambiguous law is reality.  Transitional  (not full transgendered) and intersexed people should probably have a separate restroom, locker room, etc..</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/12/montgomery-county-md-votes-tomorrow-on-gender-identity-ordinance/#comment-66124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jag said in post 65562:



&lt;i&gt;BTW, anyone ever consider that the transgendered person is likely far more self-conscious about their body and not wanting to be conspicuous or draw attention to themselves than they are a threat?&lt;/i&gt;



I have considered it.  I&#039;ve also considered that most transgendered people are reasonable and would certainly be open to talking to and coming to some sort of accommodation for people who are uncomfortable sharing a lockerroom with them.



Unfortunately, too many people seem all to willing to assume the worst.  They focus on their own concerns rather than attempt to come up with solutions addressing everyone&#039;s concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jag said in post 65562:</p>
<p><i>BTW, anyone ever consider that the transgendered person is likely far more self-conscious about their body and not wanting to be conspicuous or draw attention to themselves than they are a threat?</i></p>
<p>I have considered it.  I&#8217;ve also considered that most transgendered people are reasonable and would certainly be open to talking to and coming to some sort of accommodation for people who are uncomfortable sharing a lockerroom with them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many people seem all to willing to assume the worst.  They focus on their own concerns rather than attempt to come up with solutions addressing everyone&#8217;s concerns.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/12/montgomery-county-md-votes-tomorrow-on-gender-identity-ordinance/#comment-66123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, anyone ever consider that the transgendered person is likely far more self-conscious about their body and not wanting to be conspicuous or draw attention to themselves than they are a threat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, anyone ever consider that the transgendered person is likely far more self-conscious about their body and not wanting to be conspicuous or draw attention to themselves than they are a threat?</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/11/12/montgomery-county-md-votes-tomorrow-on-gender-identity-ordinance/#comment-66122</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting...but I have to say, I am a woman who is attracted to other women, and have always used the women&#039;s locker room. Although I despise them, I have even used the YMCA on occasion when other more adequately staffed facilities (like a Gold&#039;s Gym) were not available. I have never had an incident.



I really do believe that this whole issue is one of misunderstanding about transgendered people. They are not dressing like the other sex...they believe that they ARE a sex other than their biological one. As such, when in the process of transitioning, etc..they function like someone who is that sex, taking hormones, etc.. They are not looking to sexually assault anyone, they are just trying to live their life as consistently as possible.



Statistically speaking, women are at far greater risk from their husbands, friends, and coworkers of sexual assault than any stranger. Do we recommend you have supervision at all times because of this fact? Of course not.



I think we are blowing this way out of proportion, after all, there are likely gay men in men&#039;s locker rooms all the time (they are not barred from the YMCA) and lesbian women in other women&#039;s locker rooms. That we cannot see that transgendered people walk among us all the time already...but likely unrecognized...is, well, short-sighted and a bit naive.



Making it easier for them to not be mistreated isn&#039;t a threat to anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;but I have to say, I am a woman who is attracted to other women, and have always used the women&#8217;s locker room. Although I despise them, I have even used the YMCA on occasion when other more adequately staffed facilities (like a Gold&#8217;s Gym) were not available. I have never had an incident.</p>
<p>I really do believe that this whole issue is one of misunderstanding about transgendered people. They are not dressing like the other sex&#8230;they believe that they ARE a sex other than their biological one. As such, when in the process of transitioning, etc..they function like someone who is that sex, taking hormones, etc.. They are not looking to sexually assault anyone, they are just trying to live their life as consistently as possible.</p>
<p>Statistically speaking, women are at far greater risk from their husbands, friends, and coworkers of sexual assault than any stranger. Do we recommend you have supervision at all times because of this fact? Of course not.</p>
<p>I think we are blowing this way out of proportion, after all, there are likely gay men in men&#8217;s locker rooms all the time (they are not barred from the YMCA) and lesbian women in other women&#8217;s locker rooms. That we cannot see that transgendered people walk among us all the time already&#8230;but likely unrecognized&#8230;is, well, short-sighted and a bit naive.</p>
<p>Making it easier for them to not be mistreated isn&#8217;t a threat to anyone.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some people are overlooking the potential for harm done by men who will abuse this law and trying to make this issue about intersexed and transitional males.  The issue is about how intersexed and transitional people should be treated in terms of facilites.  That&#039;s a no brainer - with accessibility and respect.   And unfortunately some men who are niether of those (intersexed or transitional) will take advantage of women.  Then we will have an issue of how do we treat women who are not intersexed or transgendered - how about with respect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people are overlooking the potential for harm done by men who will abuse this law and trying to make this issue about intersexed and transitional males.  The issue is about how intersexed and transitional people should be treated in terms of facilites.  That&#8217;s a no brainer &#8211; with accessibility and respect.   And unfortunately some men who are niether of those (intersexed or transitional) will take advantage of women.  Then we will have an issue of how do we treat women who are not intersexed or transgendered &#8211; how about with respect.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CK,



I&#039;m not concerned about a lesbian oogling my body nor of a rape (since at least I&#039;d have more of a fighting chance) and rape of one woman by another is far less likely in ANY circumstance.



And no I don&#039;t think anyone with a penis will go into a rampage of rape - but - the potential is there and why shouldn&#039;t I have a measure of safety by eliminating men from the women&#039;s room?    I see the potential for some men to abuse this law and thereby paralyzing a women&#039;s natural apprehension when she is naked in front of a man.  And I really do not like the idea of another man besides my chosen mate seeing me nude.





 BTW, I use the men&#039;s dressing room ( never taking off my undergarments ever) to try on clothes - (when I go to JC Penny&#039;s to buy my carpenter pants)   BIG difference.   I am not naked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CK,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not concerned about a lesbian oogling my body nor of a rape (since at least I&#8217;d have more of a fighting chance) and rape of one woman by another is far less likely in ANY circumstance.</p>
<p>And no I don&#8217;t think anyone with a penis will go into a rampage of rape &#8211; but &#8211; the potential is there and why shouldn&#8217;t I have a measure of safety by eliminating men from the women&#8217;s room?    I see the potential for some men to abuse this law and thereby paralyzing a women&#8217;s natural apprehension when she is naked in front of a man.  And I really do not like the idea of another man besides my chosen mate seeing me nude.</p>
<p> BTW, I use the men&#8217;s dressing room ( never taking off my undergarments ever) to try on clothes &#8211; (when I go to JC Penny&#8217;s to buy my carpenter pants)   BIG difference.   I am not naked.</p>
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