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	Comments on: Post-mortem on the Obama-McClurkin dust up	</title>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/10/30/post-mortem-on-the-obama-mcclurkin-dust-up/#comment-65964</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Courageman,



I do have contempt for those who have spit on me, threatened me, pushed me etc... I did not view christians as hateful until that time.   Has nothing to do with liberalism, God, or faith - but pure human hate.



BTW, those experiences kept me well away from accepting Jesus as my savior.  It was only many years later that I finally came to Christ and I still oppose the actions, thoughts, heart of those &quot;christians&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courageman,</p>
<p>I do have contempt for those who have spit on me, threatened me, pushed me etc&#8230; I did not view christians as hateful until that time.   Has nothing to do with liberalism, God, or faith &#8211; but pure human hate.</p>
<p>BTW, those experiences kept me well away from accepting Jesus as my savior.  It was only many years later that I finally came to Christ and I still oppose the actions, thoughts, heart of those &#8220;christians&#8221;.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Courageman -



&quot;it refers to the reality that contempt for Christianity and Christians is woven into the warp and woof of contemporary (post-60s) liberalism, which constructs Christianity as a form of “hate” or “fascism”&quot;



When factions of Christianity supported slavery, they were racist...when factions did not support the right of women to vote, they were sexist. Now, the factions that do not support equal rights for the GLBT population are seen as?



I&#039;m not sure that liberalism is doing the constructing of christianity...it seems that Christianity has done a sad job in constructing itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courageman &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;it refers to the reality that contempt for Christianity and Christians is woven into the warp and woof of contemporary (post-60s) liberalism, which constructs Christianity as a form of “hate” or “fascism”&#8221;</p>
<p>When factions of Christianity supported slavery, they were racist&#8230;when factions did not support the right of women to vote, they were sexist. Now, the factions that do not support equal rights for the GLBT population are seen as?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that liberalism is doing the constructing of christianity&#8230;it seems that Christianity has done a sad job in constructing itself.</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Courageman,



Warp and Woof?  I think you may be reading too much into contemporary liberalism.  I agree that there is some disdain for conservative Christianity in liberalism, just as there is disdain for liberal Christianity among conservative people.  Here, again, though we run into a problem with definitions. I have yet to find someone who can adequately define a liberal - it seems to have a different definition depending to whom you are speaking.



I think the &quot;contempt&quot; that you feel exists among SOME liberals for SOME Christians, has more to do with religious extremism - when some Christians try and legislate their particular beliefs onto society and onto those who disagree with them.  I think we see the harm that religious fanaticism can do when we look at places like Afghanistan and Iraq.



I believe that it is possible in this melting-pot of a country for us all to learn to get along and to love our neighbor - what strikes me as interesting is that the same religion that taught us to love our neighbors as ourselves, can, at times, make it difficult for people to do just that.  We need to learn to respect everyone, and to treat everyone equally - that includes people of all faiths, liberal and conservative Christians, as well as gay people - many of whom are Christian as well.  Each one of us deserves to have our voice heard  (within the bounds of reason), and to have the same rights and privileges as the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courageman,</p>
<p>Warp and Woof?  I think you may be reading too much into contemporary liberalism.  I agree that there is some disdain for conservative Christianity in liberalism, just as there is disdain for liberal Christianity among conservative people.  Here, again, though we run into a problem with definitions. I have yet to find someone who can adequately define a liberal &#8211; it seems to have a different definition depending to whom you are speaking.</p>
<p>I think the &#8220;contempt&#8221; that you feel exists among SOME liberals for SOME Christians, has more to do with religious extremism &#8211; when some Christians try and legislate their particular beliefs onto society and onto those who disagree with them.  I think we see the harm that religious fanaticism can do when we look at places like Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
<p>I believe that it is possible in this melting-pot of a country for us all to learn to get along and to love our neighbor &#8211; what strikes me as interesting is that the same religion that taught us to love our neighbors as ourselves, can, at times, make it difficult for people to do just that.  We need to learn to respect everyone, and to treat everyone equally &#8211; that includes people of all faiths, liberal and conservative Christians, as well as gay people &#8211; many of whom are Christian as well.  Each one of us deserves to have our voice heard  (within the bounds of reason), and to have the same rights and privileges as the other.</p>
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		By: CourageMan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CourageMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, it refers to the reality that contempt for Christianity and Christians is woven into the warp and woof of contemporary (post-60s) liberalism, which constructs Christianity as a form of &quot;hate&quot; or &quot;fascism&quot; (among other things like &quot;mental illness&quot; or &quot;racesexclass-ism&quot;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it refers to the reality that contempt for Christianity and Christians is woven into the warp and woof of contemporary (post-60s) liberalism, which constructs Christianity as a form of &#8220;hate&#8221; or &#8220;fascism&#8221; (among other things like &#8220;mental illness&#8221; or &#8220;racesexclass-ism&#8221;).</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Courageman,



I&#039;m still confused?  Is that term meant to suggest that all liberals hate Christ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courageman,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still confused?  Is that term meant to suggest that all liberals hate Christ?</p>
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		By: CourageMan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CourageMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Christofascist hater&quot; is Liberal for &quot;Christian.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Christofascist hater&#8221; is Liberal for &#8220;Christian.&#8221;</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What in the world is a christofascist-hater?  Is it a fascist Christian who hates those who disagree with him,  is it a Christian who feels they must force all others to align with their beliefs through legislation, or is it someone who hates Christ??????  I&#039;m just really confused.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What in the world is a christofascist-hater?  Is it a fascist Christian who hates those who disagree with him,  is it a Christian who feels they must force all others to align with their beliefs through legislation, or is it someone who hates Christ??????  I&#8217;m just really confused.</p>
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		By: CourageMan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CourageMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Assuming Obama wins the nomination, the McClurkin thing (which I wrote about at my site) will be forgotten by November, when the choice is Obama or some christofascist-hater, etc., etc.



BTW ... this story was pushed into the MainStream Media by the Hillary Clinton team.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming Obama wins the nomination, the McClurkin thing (which I wrote about at my site) will be forgotten by November, when the choice is Obama or some christofascist-hater, etc., etc.</p>
<p>BTW &#8230; this story was pushed into the MainStream Media by the Hillary Clinton team.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, the most pro-gay candidate by far is John Edwards. His wife openly supports same-sex marriage, and he has stated on numerous occasions that although his personal spiritual beliefs do not support same-sex marriage, he does not feel that this is the appropriate barometer for others. In my opinion, as someone who works extensively for change in this arena, is that Edwards would grant same-sex marriage in a heartbeat. He is by far the most socially progressive, and unapologetic about it...which, actually kind of wins me over, he seems (gulp) sort of genuine about the whole thing.



Saying that, I&#039;m not sure he&#039;s electable, or is in any way capable of the large-scale foreign policy issues ahead. But, if I were a single-issues voter on only gay rights, that&#039;s where my vote would go.



Unfortunately for his vote, I consider many things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the most pro-gay candidate by far is John Edwards. His wife openly supports same-sex marriage, and he has stated on numerous occasions that although his personal spiritual beliefs do not support same-sex marriage, he does not feel that this is the appropriate barometer for others. In my opinion, as someone who works extensively for change in this arena, is that Edwards would grant same-sex marriage in a heartbeat. He is by far the most socially progressive, and unapologetic about it&#8230;which, actually kind of wins me over, he seems (gulp) sort of genuine about the whole thing.</p>
<p>Saying that, I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;s electable, or is in any way capable of the large-scale foreign policy issues ahead. But, if I were a single-issues voter on only gay rights, that&#8217;s where my vote would go.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for his vote, I consider many things.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dunno - he was taped on  The Ellen Show.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno &#8211; he was taped on  The Ellen Show.</p>
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