Comments on: Gay minister to Embrace the Change with Obama, McClurkin

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:44:22 +0000

Ken,

When I hear about the wrath of God I think about Hurricane Katrina – which spared the French Quarter but ripped the roof off of Dr. Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. It makes me wonder why God’s wrath so often punishes those who are “good Bible-believing” anti-gays and so seldom punishes gay communities.

By: ken

ken — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:20:33 +0000

Whenever I hear somebody invoking the “wrath of God” with respect to gay rights, I’m always reminded of a quote by Cheryl Jacques:

“Since Massachusetts enacted gay marriage, they’ve won 2 Superbowls and a world series (now 2 world series)”

By: jag

jag — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:31:28 +0000

As for Obama, this deal with Mcclurkin is hardly a big one. His larger issues are an inadequate handle on foreign policy and his youth and relative inexperience in politics. At a time when we are in a general state of tension with most of the Middle East, and in an active war that most of America finds distasteful, people are likely not going to focus so much on issues like gay/lesbian representations in religion.

Does it really matter? All the Dems said they are for some type of civil union or same-sex couple recognition, all of them said they would repeal Don’t ask, Don’t tell. The little prop guys who “tour” with them hardly matter in the end. That’s about publicity, not what really gets done.

By: jag

jag — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:25:39 +0000

Eric –

You stated:

“When the LGBT activists voice their views they are considered noble,courageous and brave. When ANY opposition is voiced, the views are labeled as hatred, bigotry, and homophobic. This is a blatant double-standard and gross hypocrisy… what happened to tolerance?”

Well, I’m a christian woman married to another woman who comments regularly on this blog. I don’t criticize or call “homophobic” to anyone else here. So let’s be careful in who we criticize.

There are many in the gay community who do criticize those who have struggled with same-sex attractions…while I am genuinely interested in the particulars (what differentiates an ex-gay from gay, bisexual, etc..), and while I want the methods used to not be harmful to the person, I am seeking understanding. There are also many in the church, who criticize and make blanket statements about those who are gay or lesbian. The bigotry seems to go both ways my friend.

Also, I would question whether “tolerance” is adequate. If I were ex-gay, I wouldn’t want to be “tolerated,” I would want to be accepted the same as anyone else. Being in a same-sex relationship, I don’t want to be “tolerated” either. It’s an insulting notion, don’t you think?

And for the record, I do think LGBT people who vocalize their stance are courageous. Actually, I think any oppressed minority who speaks their truth in a hostile world is brave….and that’s certainly not limited to LGBT people.

By: Eric

Eric — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:16:59 +0000

The term “Christian” is, necessarily, a biblical one. So to label oneself a “Christian”, as does Sen. Obama, while stongly endorsing a clearly anti-biblical view of homosexuality is problematic for me (a black man, early 30s). This gives me a good idea of how biblical of a Christian he may be… that’s important.

When the LGBT activists voice their views they are considered noble,courageous and brave. When ANY opposition is voiced, the views are labeled as hatred, bigotry, and homophobic. This is a blatant double-standard and gross hypocrisy… what happened to tolerance?

God has the same unending, ferocious love for all LGBT people as He does for me – no doubt. He also respects the choice of everyone to ACT upon their own sinful nature (which we all have). God does not, however, endorse what He has called sin – and that’s for everyone (1 John 1:5).

Ex-gays appear in scripture as a symbol of hope for those who struggle with that sin today (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 “… such WERE some of you…” >refers to Christians)

Donnie McClurkin should stand more on quoting scripture and let the chips fall where they may!