I agree, I also stumble over the “Dr.” title of many…but it doesn’t take away from the fact that Exodus has repeatedly used distortions or outright untruths for years. I do find it humorous that this is the grounds that they would choose to pursue her on.

As for the allegations of harm…an anonymous confession does not make it invalid, especially in situations that might cause shame to the individual. What could they do even if it were in the open?

As you are likely aware, those with unwanted same-sex attractions often feel a great sense of shame to begin with – they seem the least likely crowd to go in front of others, “outing” themselves. and admitting that their attempts at change were unsuccessful. There are some that do…but many that do not.

Eddy, I have to believe that you are aware of the damage that has been done to many through the harmful inaccurate messages that many have received – especially in years past. It was not long ago that I remember clearly hearing the message from many that “everyone” can change, that change meant becoming heterosexual, and that not changing was not due to the nature of the person but to their will or faith. Heck, there are still many who believe this…surf the web for organizations that promote such ridiculousness.

Thing is, for you or I, these unfounded messages fly right by…we know better. For some, who desparately want to change, they will try anything – even beating a pillow and being hugged by Richard Cohen if they think it will make them straight. They try, and try, and do everything asked of them (even giving up their designer underwear – as is asked at some “camps”), and yet…they have not changed. They try marriage, etc..and nothing.

This is not the story of everyone, clearly, but it is the story of some – and we shouldn’t dismiss the harm and pain that it has cost them…not to mention the financial sacrifices, the time lost in their lives.

I think if you take an honest look at it Eddy, you have to admit, the ex-gay movement has not been all roses, scientific backing, and honesty with clients.

Not that any movement has…we just have to be upfront about what is truth and what is not.

I keep looking for the irony only to stumble over the “Dr.” in front of Alicia Salzar’s name. Such a title can open many a door, give added–and sometimes undue–credibility, and suggests that the titled individual understands better than most how to rightly interpret data and studies…especially when they set themselves up as a spokesperson.

Re the allegations of harm. What can I say? There’s certainly no arguing with anonymous closed door conversations that never reach the light of day except as insinuations.

You stated “If the majority experienced an increased measure of distress, seems they would have wound up in therapy somewhere–and again, surfaced.”

They have. As you are aware, it is rather unethical for a therapist to disclose their clientele…or yell from the rooftops “I have another one from Exodus!” but…there are many out there. Talk to a bunch of therapists who work in sexuality, and you’ll likely hear the stories – anonymously, of course.

Quite true.

Though I don’t always remember to do so, I do try to keep in mind that many people who are ex-ex-gay report that they benefitted from ex-gay ministries. Some overcame addictions or inappropriate sexual impulses. Some learned to like themselves enough to stop endangering themselves with sexually risky behavior. And some were able to finally resolve their orientation and their faith – though perhaps not in the way Exodus intended.

Sadly, this is mostly just anecdotal. There has been very little effort put to tracking those who left Exodus. Perhaps that’s due to resources, due to unwillingness on the part of the client, due to the church’s standard response to backsliders, or due to a whole host of other reasons. And I’m not at all sure it would ever even be possible to really determine who is harmed and who is benefitted and in what way.

But, nonetheless, I think Exodus is now aware that some are harmed and has an obligation to find out why and how, or at least as much as possible. I’m glad that some took the initial steps in meeting with the survivors. Let’s hope they follow up. If we could eliminate the damage and increase the benefits, then we could all be free to go back to debating whether “it works” and what “change” means.