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	Comments on: God and Hillary Clinton, Part 4 &#8211; Pro-choice Christians?	</title>
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		By: Paul Waters		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[If memory serves, didn&#039;t you American fight a civil war in the 19th century the purpose of which was to enforce the anti-slavery morality of the North on the pro-slavery morality of the South? Is Brenda suggesting that Abraham Lincoln et al should have limited themselves to preaching and cajoling? And 100 years or so later, should the civil-rights leaders contented themselves with persuading the Southern states to abandon their pro-segregation morality rather than asking the U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. Congress to impose integration by judicial and legislative fiat. The only difference between the victims of the pro-abortion morality and the victims of the pro-slavery and pro-segregation moralities is that the former cannot speak for themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If memory serves, didn&#8217;t you American fight a civil war in the 19th century the purpose of which was to enforce the anti-slavery morality of the North on the pro-slavery morality of the South? Is Brenda suggesting that Abraham Lincoln et al should have limited themselves to preaching and cajoling? And 100 years or so later, should the civil-rights leaders contented themselves with persuading the Southern states to abandon their pro-segregation morality rather than asking the U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. Congress to impose integration by judicial and legislative fiat. The only difference between the victims of the pro-abortion morality and the victims of the pro-slavery and pro-segregation moralities is that the former cannot speak for themselves.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For any on this blog or for anyone you might know who is suffering the consequences of an abortion they have had, I recommend the book &quot;Tilly&quot;.  This book is for those who are not comfortable with the decision they made and it will help them to reconcile their thoughts and bring them peace.



I do not think the actual act of abortion is really the issue in our conversations here - it is more about the rationalization of it that brings contention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For any on this blog or for anyone you might know who is suffering the consequences of an abortion they have had, I recommend the book &#8220;Tilly&#8221;.  This book is for those who are not comfortable with the decision they made and it will help them to reconcile their thoughts and bring them peace.</p>
<p>I do not think the actual act of abortion is really the issue in our conversations here &#8211; it is more about the rationalization of it that brings contention.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sad commentary always results when we spin our own personal beliefs into what God has clearly proclaimed,  in that killing an innocent life in the womb is not tantamount to uprooting a weed that is growing in our garden. A seed is planted in the ground to grow into new life and bear fruit, and a child is planted in the mother&#039;s womb for the same reason. I know how to plant the seed, but I don&#039;t know how to make it grow. It&#039;s not my choice that life takes place, but God&#039;s. Sex is good , so God says, we are all by products of this act. None of us had the choice to determine if we would be permitted to live outside the womb, that choice was made by another who came before us. So who is appointed the judge on whether I live or die....I&#039;ll give you a hint it&#039;s not another human being.



Man has found a way in his infinite unwisdom to take this decision out of God&#039;s hands....after all man does know better. You can tell by the results of where this has gotten him... that there is no truth in that statement. &quot;No God in the picture, no future in the picture&quot; and intellectually deficient person like most of us can figure that out . We are not known by what we say but by what we do, and we are likewise judged by that same standard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad commentary always results when we spin our own personal beliefs into what God has clearly proclaimed,  in that killing an innocent life in the womb is not tantamount to uprooting a weed that is growing in our garden. A seed is planted in the ground to grow into new life and bear fruit, and a child is planted in the mother&#8217;s womb for the same reason. I know how to plant the seed, but I don&#8217;t know how to make it grow. It&#8217;s not my choice that life takes place, but God&#8217;s. Sex is good , so God says, we are all by products of this act. None of us had the choice to determine if we would be permitted to live outside the womb, that choice was made by another who came before us. So who is appointed the judge on whether I live or die&#8230;.I&#8217;ll give you a hint it&#8217;s not another human being.</p>
<p>Man has found a way in his infinite unwisdom to take this decision out of God&#8217;s hands&#8230;.after all man does know better. You can tell by the results of where this has gotten him&#8230; that there is no truth in that statement. &#8220;No God in the picture, no future in the picture&#8221; and intellectually deficient person like most of us can figure that out . We are not known by what we say but by what we do, and we are likewise judged by that same standard.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Educate people before they begin to have sex without protection.  Change the health care system that is costly for poor people,  provide more options for wokring mothers without fathers or single parent households.   I don&#039;t agree with abortion but there is so much more than just the inconvience.  Guilting someone into understanding does nothing - educating and providing for more people does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Educate people before they begin to have sex without protection.  Change the health care system that is costly for poor people,  provide more options for wokring mothers without fathers or single parent households.   I don&#8217;t agree with abortion but there is so much more than just the inconvience.  Guilting someone into understanding does nothing &#8211; educating and providing for more people does.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kengor stated:



&quot;Tragically, for many on the Religious Left, this justice is confined to race and class and economics, and only for those fortunate enough to have been born. They do not extend their social justice to the unborn, which they relegate to the status of non-humans who are deprived of the most basic of all rights: the right to life. This is a complete, utter injustice. &quot;



Wow...so terribly objective. Who is this guy again, and why is he an authority? It&#039;s one thing if you want to philosophically question the stance of one group, but quite another to dismiss it out of hand. It&#039;s a very unacademic approach, agree with it or not.



Usually, on this blog, we are looking to increase understanding - not cut the conversation off at the knees.



I hope in the future, we can do better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kengor stated:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tragically, for many on the Religious Left, this justice is confined to race and class and economics, and only for those fortunate enough to have been born. They do not extend their social justice to the unborn, which they relegate to the status of non-humans who are deprived of the most basic of all rights: the right to life. This is a complete, utter injustice. &#8221;</p>
<p>Wow&#8230;so terribly objective. Who is this guy again, and why is he an authority? It&#8217;s one thing if you want to philosophically question the stance of one group, but quite another to dismiss it out of hand. It&#8217;s a very unacademic approach, agree with it or not.</p>
<p>Usually, on this blog, we are looking to increase understanding &#8211; not cut the conversation off at the knees.</p>
<p>I hope in the future, we can do better.</p>
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