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		By: Brad G.		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a former 18  year member of the Unification Church. I left it in 1992. I knew Richard Cohen. Worked with him directly at The World Mission Center..(New  Yorker Hotel), The Manhattan Center,(adjoins The New Yorker),  Belvedere, etc, etc. I didn&#039;t like him then..(he was a leading .. mouthpiece, for Rev. Moon.) and I DON&#039;T.. Trust his claim that he is .. &quot;FREE&quot; of Moonism.

   His.. Habit.. of saying he didn&#039;t say.. or write something.. Which.. he did.. or to try twisting it around by saying he didn&#039;t mean.. such and such.. as.. shown in his televised appearance on THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW.  Is Classic Mind Twisting.. attempt!   Keep people.. off balance.., they won&#039;t be out rightly.. turned off by him., or his views...  by not allowing them.. to KNOW.. what &quot;he&quot; really thinks. He clearly, follows  the Classic Moonie.. Poor Victim that no one.. is giving a fair chance to... syndrome!    SO NO.. I DO NOT.. Trust.. Mr. Cohen.  But.. I do.. Trust and Admire.. the work that Steve Hassan has been and is still doing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former 18  year member of the Unification Church. I left it in 1992. I knew Richard Cohen. Worked with him directly at The World Mission Center..(New  Yorker Hotel), The Manhattan Center,(adjoins The New Yorker),  Belvedere, etc, etc. I didn&#8217;t like him then..(he was a leading .. mouthpiece, for Rev. Moon.) and I DON&#8217;T.. Trust his claim that he is .. &#8220;FREE&#8221; of Moonism.</p>
<p>   His.. Habit.. of saying he didn&#8217;t say.. or write something.. Which.. he did.. or to try twisting it around by saying he didn&#8217;t mean.. such and such.. as.. shown in his televised appearance on THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW.  Is Classic Mind Twisting.. attempt!   Keep people.. off balance.., they won&#8217;t be out rightly.. turned off by him., or his views&#8230;  by not allowing them.. to KNOW.. what &#8220;he&#8221; really thinks. He clearly, follows  the Classic Moonie.. Poor Victim that no one.. is giving a fair chance to&#8230; syndrome!    SO NO.. I DO NOT.. Trust.. Mr. Cohen.  But.. I do.. Trust and Admire.. the work that Steve Hassan has been and is still doing.</p>
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		By: JerryN		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[QUACK!  QUACK!  Cohen is pulling one of his regular and very predictable routines of victimittis again.  Anyone who has been at one of Richard Cohen&#039;s seminars, therapy, etc knows that his way and manner of speaking, praying, lecturing, etc. is very much like rev. moon.  The founding documents for IHF have plenty of moon like statements about God, higher power, etc.  His &quot;aunt Hilde&quot; has her name scattered through several moon websties, as does his son Jarish Cohen, son of Richard (see earlier post) who was the &quot;Contact Organizer&quot; for his father&#039;s Summer Healing Seminar, June 11-12, 2005 near the Baltimore/Washington Airport. So the family and staff are part and parcel of IHF without a doubt.  In this posting Jarish Cohen is referred to as  &quot;....It (the seminar) is being organized by a Blessed member of our Second Generation now studying at UPenn, and will be led by his father (Richard), who is a nationally known author, licensed counselor (licensed by what organization and/or state? by his own admission he is not licensed by anyone).....to achieve a loving and strong Blessed Family.&quot;  The parens are mine. This means that Richard Cohen and son Jarish Cohen, as  Rev. Phillip Schanker, Vice President for Education of moon&#039;s organization, states is a moonie and a member of moon&#039;s church because both he and his son are Blessed members and Blessed Family and you can&#039;t be Blessed (capitalized) unless you are a card carrying member of moon&#039;s organization.  So, we find Jarish Cohen noted at several other moon locations as well as Jessica Cohen, also a child of Richard.  So, here we have Richard Cohen, trooping out his family (wife and other child Alfie included) on the cover of his book and other promotional items as well and spread all over the moon organization.  What ethical therapist uses his family in this way to promote his services?  None that I know of.  So here we have Cohen playing the victim role to divert attention away from the real point of discussion, is he or isn&#039;t he (including his son, daughter and staff member Hilde) a card carrying moonie?.   Cohen himself opened himself up, as well as his staff and family to be questioned about all of this by using his staff and family to promote his organization, so they are in fact part and parcel of IHF and subject to scrutiny as well.   So, keep your eye on the ball folks, don&#039;t be fooled and mislead in another direction (an old moonie tactic Cohen knows all too well) by Cohen&#039;s diversions.  Anyone with a half a brain can easily figure out that he and his family and staff member are up to their neck in moon.  So, let  Cohen protest all he wants, it doesn&#039;t really matter any more because by now, everyone knows who and what he is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUACK!  QUACK!  Cohen is pulling one of his regular and very predictable routines of victimittis again.  Anyone who has been at one of Richard Cohen&#8217;s seminars, therapy, etc knows that his way and manner of speaking, praying, lecturing, etc. is very much like rev. moon.  The founding documents for IHF have plenty of moon like statements about God, higher power, etc.  His &#8220;aunt Hilde&#8221; has her name scattered through several moon websties, as does his son Jarish Cohen, son of Richard (see earlier post) who was the &#8220;Contact Organizer&#8221; for his father&#8217;s Summer Healing Seminar, June 11-12, 2005 near the Baltimore/Washington Airport. So the family and staff are part and parcel of IHF without a doubt.  In this posting Jarish Cohen is referred to as  &#8220;&#8230;.It (the seminar) is being organized by a Blessed member of our Second Generation now studying at UPenn, and will be led by his father (Richard), who is a nationally known author, licensed counselor (licensed by what organization and/or state? by his own admission he is not licensed by anyone)&#8230;..to achieve a loving and strong Blessed Family.&#8221;  The parens are mine. This means that Richard Cohen and son Jarish Cohen, as  Rev. Phillip Schanker, Vice President for Education of moon&#8217;s organization, states is a moonie and a member of moon&#8217;s church because both he and his son are Blessed members and Blessed Family and you can&#8217;t be Blessed (capitalized) unless you are a card carrying member of moon&#8217;s organization.  So, we find Jarish Cohen noted at several other moon locations as well as Jessica Cohen, also a child of Richard.  So, here we have Richard Cohen, trooping out his family (wife and other child Alfie included) on the cover of his book and other promotional items as well and spread all over the moon organization.  What ethical therapist uses his family in this way to promote his services?  None that I know of.  So here we have Cohen playing the victim role to divert attention away from the real point of discussion, is he or isn&#8217;t he (including his son, daughter and staff member Hilde) a card carrying moonie?.   Cohen himself opened himself up, as well as his staff and family to be questioned about all of this by using his staff and family to promote his organization, so they are in fact part and parcel of IHF and subject to scrutiny as well.   So, keep your eye on the ball folks, don&#8217;t be fooled and mislead in another direction (an old moonie tactic Cohen knows all too well) by Cohen&#8217;s diversions.  Anyone with a half a brain can easily figure out that he and his family and staff member are up to their neck in moon.  So, let  Cohen protest all he wants, it doesn&#8217;t really matter any more because by now, everyone knows who and what he is.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I missed it but I don&#039;t think you linked to Larry Zilliox&#039;s actual list which is the one to use. Others copied it years ago and posted it around the net but the one housed at Steve Hassan&#039;s site is the one to go by and is updated a few times a year.



I suggest you only use the one found here.



http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/



That statement from Jenkins, all I can say is that I have never seen more horsedroppings in one place in all my life. The moonies have played this game for years mainly in the USA where they want to attract Christians into the Moon web. When someone in the press calls them on what is obvious what they believe - namely that Moon and his followers believe him to be THE Messiah, THE Lord of the Second Advent, THE Second Coming - they run some spinner out and act like &quot;Oh, no he means blah blah blah blah.&quot;



He may have said that about getting to God through Jesus&#039; &quot;lineage&quot; once for the cameras but Moon has said many, many times that it is only through &quot;True Parents&quot; lineage that we can make it. You have to drink his Holy Wine or have your marriage blessed by him or his organization.



There are many, many examples of Moon saying Jesus failed.



Jesus couldn&#039;t even make it into heaven without Moon&#039;s help. His people recently had a ceremony in Israel where, through Moon, Jesus was made the King of the Jews, yes, Moon let Jesus complete part of His mission.



Moon married Jesus to a Korean woman to allow Jesus to get into Heaven. They teach that Jesus serves Moon&#039;s dead son in heaven. Moon believes he is a 1000 times greater than anyone history.



quoting Moon&#039;s daughter in-law.



http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif148.html



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I was taught in Sunday school that the Reverend Moon had been chosen by God to complete Jesus&#039; mission to restore the Garden of Eden. The Reverend Moon was the Second Coming.&quot;



&quot;The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth had not been opened to mankind. It is the Reverend Moon&#039;s role as Lord of the Second Advent to complete the work Jesus left undone. The Reverend Moon&#039;s.&quot;



&quot;The Reverend Moon&#039;s hubris culminated later that year [1985] in a secret ceremony in which he actually crowned himself and Hak Ja Han Moon as Emperor and Empress of the Universe. The Reverend Moon was aware enough of how an act of such monumental egotism would be received by the world that he banned photographs from being taken at the actual ceremony. Since there was no authority higher than the Reverend Moon, the Messiah had to crown himself Emperor of the Universe.&quot;



&lt;B&gt;&quot;Sun Myung Moon actually had matched Jesus to an elderly Korean woman. Because the Unification Church teaches that only married couples can enter the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus himself needed the intervention of the Reverend Moon to move through those gates.&quot;&lt;/B&gt;



&quot;As members of the church, they knew of my marriage to Hyo Jin Moon, but they must have assumed it had not been consummated. That was not such a foolish assumption, I realize now. The age of consent in New York State is seventeen. Hyo Jin could have been arrested for statutory rape. That summer the Moons decided I could not return to Irvington High School. They worried that public school officials could get too curious about the cause of my extended leave of absence, that there would be rumors about the baby. I was still below the age of consent in New York when she was conceived. They did not need their son accused of child abuse or even rape.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



anywho, Moon made it official in 1992:



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In early July, I spoke in five cities around Korea at rallies held by the Women&#039;s Federation for World Peace. There, I declared that my wife, WFWP President Hak Ja Han Moon, and I are the True Parents of all humanity. &lt;B&gt;I declared that we are the Savior, the Lord of the Second Advent, the Messiah.&quot; &lt;/B&gt;[Sun Myung Moon - Aug. 24, 1992 Little Angels Performing Arts Center, Seoul, Korea ]&lt;/blockquote&gt;



He actually believes when all is said and done, God will realize he(Moon) is greater than God.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, with the advent of the True Parents on this Earth we all have to follow the perfected Adam&#039;s family. &lt;B&gt;We cannot enter the Kingdom of God without True Parents&#039; grace. We have to follow in their footsteps.&lt;/B&gt; …



The time has come when, wherever Reverend Moon appears, God will be there all the time. Whatever Reverend Moon may say, that will be God&#039;s message. …



Within this world there is no individual whom God loves more than Reverend Moon. There is no one else who knows God more than Reverend Moon. …



&lt;B&gt;In the Last Days, when God looks down and sees Reverend Moon bestowing blessing upon millions of people in place of God then He will say that Father is even greater than God.&lt;/B&gt; [Sun Myung Moon - True Parents&#039; Day is my True Son&#039;s Day - April 18, 1996 ] &lt;/blockquote&gt;



They don&#039;t just say Jesus failed - they teach it to their second generation in games.



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;B&gt;The next activity had us laying firewood logs on top of each other to reach a certain height, which represented the foundation for the messiah to come. At our first success Takamitsu just pushed them over and informed us that Jesus failed and we have to start all over again.&lt;/B&gt; Later we went to a large field where the staff had hidden small scraps of paper with our names on them, representing how hard it was for True Parents to find the principle.



[Unification News for April 2005

Children&#039;s Workshop and Youth Workshop in Winston Salem, NC - By Rev. Mike Lamson

From March 18-20, 2005 ] &lt;/blockquote&gt;



this BBC documentary is pretty good though they get a few things wrong. I don&#039;t think they paraded Moon&#039;s dead son around when they married him to Moon&#039;s aide&#039;s daughter. Also, they give George Bush 43 way too much slack - 43 has shilled for Moon on three continents. Anything he claims he doesn&#039;t know about Moon is, after years of shilling for Moon, willful..



go here for the BBC documentary, &quot;Emperor of the Universe.&quot;.



http://tinyurl.com/yyb8lq]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I missed it but I don&#8217;t think you linked to Larry Zilliox&#8217;s actual list which is the one to use. Others copied it years ago and posted it around the net but the one housed at Steve Hassan&#8217;s site is the one to go by and is updated a few times a year.</p>
<p>I suggest you only use the one found here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/</a></p>
<p>That statement from Jenkins, all I can say is that I have never seen more horsedroppings in one place in all my life. The moonies have played this game for years mainly in the USA where they want to attract Christians into the Moon web. When someone in the press calls them on what is obvious what they believe &#8211; namely that Moon and his followers believe him to be THE Messiah, THE Lord of the Second Advent, THE Second Coming &#8211; they run some spinner out and act like &#8220;Oh, no he means blah blah blah blah.&#8221;</p>
<p>He may have said that about getting to God through Jesus&#8217; &#8220;lineage&#8221; once for the cameras but Moon has said many, many times that it is only through &#8220;True Parents&#8221; lineage that we can make it. You have to drink his Holy Wine or have your marriage blessed by him or his organization.</p>
<p>There are many, many examples of Moon saying Jesus failed.</p>
<p>Jesus couldn&#8217;t even make it into heaven without Moon&#8217;s help. His people recently had a ceremony in Israel where, through Moon, Jesus was made the King of the Jews, yes, Moon let Jesus complete part of His mission.</p>
<p>Moon married Jesus to a Korean woman to allow Jesus to get into Heaven. They teach that Jesus serves Moon&#8217;s dead son in heaven. Moon believes he is a 1000 times greater than anyone history.</p>
<p>quoting Moon&#8217;s daughter in-law.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif148.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif148.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I was taught in Sunday school that the Reverend Moon had been chosen by God to complete Jesus&#8217; mission to restore the Garden of Eden. The Reverend Moon was the Second Coming.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth had not been opened to mankind. It is the Reverend Moon&#8217;s role as Lord of the Second Advent to complete the work Jesus left undone. The Reverend Moon&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Reverend Moon&#8217;s hubris culminated later that year [1985] in a secret ceremony in which he actually crowned himself and Hak Ja Han Moon as Emperor and Empress of the Universe. The Reverend Moon was aware enough of how an act of such monumental egotism would be received by the world that he banned photographs from being taken at the actual ceremony. Since there was no authority higher than the Reverend Moon, the Messiah had to crown himself Emperor of the Universe.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Sun Myung Moon actually had matched Jesus to an elderly Korean woman. Because the Unification Church teaches that only married couples can enter the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus himself needed the intervention of the Reverend Moon to move through those gates.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>&#8220;As members of the church, they knew of my marriage to Hyo Jin Moon, but they must have assumed it had not been consummated. That was not such a foolish assumption, I realize now. The age of consent in New York State is seventeen. Hyo Jin could have been arrested for statutory rape. That summer the Moons decided I could not return to Irvington High School. They worried that public school officials could get too curious about the cause of my extended leave of absence, that there would be rumors about the baby. I was still below the age of consent in New York when she was conceived. They did not need their son accused of child abuse or even rape.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>anywho, Moon made it official in 1992:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In early July, I spoke in five cities around Korea at rallies held by the Women&#8217;s Federation for World Peace. There, I declared that my wife, WFWP President Hak Ja Han Moon, and I are the True Parents of all humanity. <b>I declared that we are the Savior, the Lord of the Second Advent, the Messiah.&#8221; </b>[Sun Myung Moon &#8211; Aug. 24, 1992 Little Angels Performing Arts Center, Seoul, Korea ]</p></blockquote>
<p>He actually believes when all is said and done, God will realize he(Moon) is greater than God.</p>
<blockquote><p>Now, with the advent of the True Parents on this Earth we all have to follow the perfected Adam&#8217;s family. <b>We cannot enter the Kingdom of God without True Parents&#8217; grace. We have to follow in their footsteps.</b> …</p>
<p>The time has come when, wherever Reverend Moon appears, God will be there all the time. Whatever Reverend Moon may say, that will be God&#8217;s message. …</p>
<p>Within this world there is no individual whom God loves more than Reverend Moon. There is no one else who knows God more than Reverend Moon. …</p>
<p><b>In the Last Days, when God looks down and sees Reverend Moon bestowing blessing upon millions of people in place of God then He will say that Father is even greater than God.</b> [Sun Myung Moon &#8211; True Parents&#8217; Day is my True Son&#8217;s Day &#8211; April 18, 1996 ] </p></blockquote>
<p>They don&#8217;t just say Jesus failed &#8211; they teach it to their second generation in games.</p>
<blockquote><p><b>The next activity had us laying firewood logs on top of each other to reach a certain height, which represented the foundation for the messiah to come. At our first success Takamitsu just pushed them over and informed us that Jesus failed and we have to start all over again.</b> Later we went to a large field where the staff had hidden small scraps of paper with our names on them, representing how hard it was for True Parents to find the principle.</p>
<p>[Unification News for April 2005</p>
<p>Children&#8217;s Workshop and Youth Workshop in Winston Salem, NC &#8211; By Rev. Mike Lamson</p>
<p>From March 18-20, 2005 ] </p></blockquote>
<p>this BBC documentary is pretty good though they get a few things wrong. I don&#8217;t think they paraded Moon&#8217;s dead son around when they married him to Moon&#8217;s aide&#8217;s daughter. Also, they give George Bush 43 way too much slack &#8211; 43 has shilled for Moon on three continents. Anything he claims he doesn&#8217;t know about Moon is, after years of shilling for Moon, willful..</p>
<p>go here for the BBC documentary, &#8220;Emperor of the Universe.&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yyb8lq" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/yyb8lq</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to say that I saw Richard Cohen on The Daily Show a few years ago.  This was before I had heard of Reparative Therapy.



Holding therapy?



&lt;b&gt;QUACK!&lt;/b&gt;



In a weird way I feel sorry for him.  He might mean well but he is obviously misguided.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that I saw Richard Cohen on The Daily Show a few years ago.  This was before I had heard of Reparative Therapy.</p>
<p>Holding therapy?</p>
<p><b>QUACK!</b></p>
<p>In a weird way I feel sorry for him.  He might mean well but he is obviously misguided.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah - okay.   Thank you.  I have a poor opinion of him and did not read the whole thing.   Lessons, lessons, lessons...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; okay.   Thank you.  I have a poor opinion of him and did not read the whole thing.   Lessons, lessons, lessons&#8230;</p>
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