I don’t think that’s true of all people – but in general, I DO think you’re right. People are afraid of the “different”, and that’s unfortunate. Although, as someone who strongly sympathizes with ex-gay people, I find it hard to really support most of them because of their political stances, and I have to believe that others, who are less sympathetic than I, are going to care for them much more.

I definitely think there is some truth to that – the wanting to protect a personal interest statement you made. I don’t think anyone questions the fact that people can change – whether you are gay, ex-gay, straight, ex-straight, whatever 🙂 – they do it all the time in all manner of ways. I think the problem comes in with some of the outlandish claims made by some ex-gays and groups like Exodus, and the tying in of change to politics – when they use the “change” to suppress the rights of others. Just because some change doesn’t mean all or even most can – granted, I know we’ve been over this before – and I think we’re on the same page with it too.

See Timothy’s post at 45120 and 45218 regarding an accurate account of Craig’s voting record….see what you think.

David –

You stated:

“Regarding your repeated assertions to know the “truth” in another man’s or woman’s heart, I have heard you make much better arguments using sound thinking, rather than some intuitive truth assessing skill you have.”

David, we don’t know the “truth” in his heart, but we know what he has consistently sought in his pants for the past 30 years. He is a married man who has been on record since 1967 (see my post 4472) seeking same-sex sexual encounters. Behavior certainly doesn’t say it all, but his consistent and repeated choice for random male sex does say something.

It’s not “intuitive truth assessing,” but rather the not-so-big-leap that a heterosexually married man seeking out another man for sex repeatedly for over 30 years may have something to say about his inclinations…bisexual, gay, etc…the fact that he so vehemently opposes anything in legislation and speaks so condescendingly about gay people also carries some weight.

To ignore the gender of his sexual encounters would be missing something important about this man. He certainly has been very specific and consistent about it…

As Throckmorton has stated “What I think he [the senator] might be saying is that he is not attracted to guys. That might be harder to accept at this point.”

“Me thinks he doth protest too much”

The bard, Shakespeare, is so prevalent today because he wrote many universal truths.

I often wonder if people who are vehement against ex gays are really scared that people do change their perspective etc… I used to be that way. And I used to say the same thing about people who are vehement agianst gays. Too passionate one side or the other could mean you have more of a private and personal interest to protect instead of just saying you are protecting and acting in the best interest of others & society. I have run into very few people who did not have something in it for themselves in particular.