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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Andrew&lt;/b&gt;



&lt;em&gt;northern Uzbekistanish&lt;/em&gt;



Didn&#039;t you mention that SSA was accepted in your country?  I thought you were going to say Denmark.



Uzbekistan?  That country is 90% Sunni Muslim.  Your people accept homosexuality?



Gaaaaaah.......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Andrew</b></p>
<p><em>northern Uzbekistanish</em></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you mention that SSA was accepted in your country?  I thought you were going to say Denmark.</p>
<p>Uzbekistan?  That country is 90% Sunni Muslim.  Your people accept homosexuality?</p>
<p>Gaaaaaah&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew,



I do often wonder if our ideas about nature and self would hold up if tested through time - past or future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>I do often wonder if our ideas about nature and self would hold up if tested through time &#8211; past or future.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew -



If your attraction flux causes you no interruption or distress in work, life, etc...then why does it matter what or who you prefer? It sounds like you feel like bisexuality is who you are...and if so, good for you - no need to convince anyone of anything.



Thank you for your comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew &#8211;</p>
<p>If your attraction flux causes you no interruption or distress in work, life, etc&#8230;then why does it matter what or who you prefer? It sounds like you feel like bisexuality is who you are&#8230;and if so, good for you &#8211; no need to convince anyone of anything.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erm.. northern Uzbek&lt;i&gt;istanish&lt;/i&gt;. :p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm.. northern Uzbek<i>istanish</i>. :p</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Andrew&lt;/b&gt; wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I used to be exclusively attracted to the opposite sex. SSAs only kicked in after I become isolated from my gender peers, due to the fact that all my male friends left town and I was left with female friends for socialising. After two years I already forgot how to play football and do physical stuff with my male friends.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yikes.... so do a number of hen-pecked husbands within marriages but they don&#039;t develop a homosexual orientation.   I&#039;ve always had male friends and the associated male activities (late-nite poker games, basketball, fishing, hunting) but my homosexual orientation wasn&#039;t because I lost male contact.   Perhaps  you do have a reason to worry about your SSA as a psychological problem because loss of male companionship isn&#039;t normally what &quot;brings it on&quot; - one usually just grows up that way.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;You must think that nature made you want to be penetrated anally to no natural use. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And where did I discuss my own sexual proclivities or that of  gay people, in general?   That which you seem to hold in so much ignominy is not a pervasive activity among all gay men.   Besides sexual attraction when first experienced as a young person has little to do with choice of sexual activity.   If I were to suffer an opinion, I&#039;d say that face-to-face frottage would be the first more preferred sexual activity.   But that&#039;s just me.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And also feel overwhelmed by invulnerable males and physically indifferent to females and that’s your healthy state you have to promote and society adjust to, so that you can feel comfortable with your vulnerability. Is that the picture nature projected for you?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh?  Me, physically indifferent to (or than) women?  Vulnerable to &#038; overwhelmed by men?   Either way it&#039;s all a laugh.   While I may have a sexual response which may have certain similarities to that of a woman&#039;s or which you might equate to that of a women your assessments do not apply.   I very much like my testicle (only one since the cancer), prostate, and penis.   Don&#039;t you?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I agree that people that feel this way should not be object to any kind of hate or discrimination, but i seriously doubt it’s a natural plan to not be able to feel the necessary instinct for reproduction to such an extent. Or to get wires mixed up to such an extent that reproductive behaviour can be disconnected from opposite sex identification.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t  think there is such a thing as reproductive behaviour although biologists might categorize it as such (reproductive behaviours of birds, for instance).  There are however behaviours which result in reproduction.   In other words, if sexual contact were not pleasurable, no mammal, including man, might engage in it to the degree needed to sustain the species.   Thus there is no &quot;natural plan&quot; or plan of nature.   That is a decidedly religious viewpoint, not one from the standpoint of science.  There is some early data which indicates that male homosexuality is a by-product of a process which results in greater female fertility (yeah, more research is needed).   So I have come to see myself as living through my numerous aunts and their children, my cousins.  I have a large extended family which is important to me.    Seems pretty natural to me.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;You realise that you don’t have headquarters in the neocortex… Or do you? Where is the seat of you for you? Is the body an extension and instrument for you qua brain or indelible part of you? When you have your universally accepted and empirically replicated answer for these questions, i know you will feel at peace with yourself. /I hope I was not as “brutal” as you.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where am I?   I&#039;m everywhere!   I&#039;m in the pain I feel in my left leg, I&#039;m in my hands as I type this, I&#039;m in my R-complex and midbrain, and I am in my neocortical lobes..... I am an integrated whole within my entire brain and feel at one with my body.   I have no problem with my base sexual responses to those attractive qualities I enjoy, because it is all me.



If you do not feel &quot;integrated&#039; then perhaps you need that counselling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Andrew</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I used to be exclusively attracted to the opposite sex. SSAs only kicked in after I become isolated from my gender peers, due to the fact that all my male friends left town and I was left with female friends for socialising. After two years I already forgot how to play football and do physical stuff with my male friends.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Yikes&#8230;. so do a number of hen-pecked husbands within marriages but they don&#8217;t develop a homosexual orientation.   I&#8217;ve always had male friends and the associated male activities (late-nite poker games, basketball, fishing, hunting) but my homosexual orientation wasn&#8217;t because I lost male contact.   Perhaps  you do have a reason to worry about your SSA as a psychological problem because loss of male companionship isn&#8217;t normally what &#8220;brings it on&#8221; &#8211; one usually just grows up that way.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>You must think that nature made you want to be penetrated anally to no natural use. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>And where did I discuss my own sexual proclivities or that of  gay people, in general?   That which you seem to hold in so much ignominy is not a pervasive activity among all gay men.   Besides sexual attraction when first experienced as a young person has little to do with choice of sexual activity.   If I were to suffer an opinion, I&#8217;d say that face-to-face frottage would be the first more preferred sexual activity.   But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>And also feel overwhelmed by invulnerable males and physically indifferent to females and that’s your healthy state you have to promote and society adjust to, so that you can feel comfortable with your vulnerability. Is that the picture nature projected for you?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Huh?  Me, physically indifferent to (or than) women?  Vulnerable to &amp; overwhelmed by men?   Either way it&#8217;s all a laugh.   While I may have a sexual response which may have certain similarities to that of a woman&#8217;s or which you might equate to that of a women your assessments do not apply.   I very much like my testicle (only one since the cancer), prostate, and penis.   Don&#8217;t you?</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I agree that people that feel this way should not be object to any kind of hate or discrimination, but i seriously doubt it’s a natural plan to not be able to feel the necessary instinct for reproduction to such an extent. Or to get wires mixed up to such an extent that reproductive behaviour can be disconnected from opposite sex identification.</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t  think there is such a thing as reproductive behaviour although biologists might categorize it as such (reproductive behaviours of birds, for instance).  There are however behaviours which result in reproduction.   In other words, if sexual contact were not pleasurable, no mammal, including man, might engage in it to the degree needed to sustain the species.   Thus there is no &#8220;natural plan&#8221; or plan of nature.   That is a decidedly religious viewpoint, not one from the standpoint of science.  There is some early data which indicates that male homosexuality is a by-product of a process which results in greater female fertility (yeah, more research is needed).   So I have come to see myself as living through my numerous aunts and their children, my cousins.  I have a large extended family which is important to me.    Seems pretty natural to me.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>You realise that you don’t have headquarters in the neocortex… Or do you? Where is the seat of you for you? Is the body an extension and instrument for you qua brain or indelible part of you? When you have your universally accepted and empirically replicated answer for these questions, i know you will feel at peace with yourself. /I hope I was not as “brutal” as you.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Where am I?   I&#8217;m everywhere!   I&#8217;m in the pain I feel in my left leg, I&#8217;m in my hands as I type this, I&#8217;m in my R-complex and midbrain, and I am in my neocortical lobes&#8230;.. I am an integrated whole within my entire brain and feel at one with my body.   I have no problem with my base sexual responses to those attractive qualities I enjoy, because it is all me.</p>
<p>If you do not feel &#8220;integrated&#8217; then perhaps you need that counselling.</p>
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