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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Swissalps,



&quot;Nothing new&quot;  is a dangerous same ole same ole mentality.



There is something new - that is the portion of those being raped and the gender of their sexual attractions.   If girls are raped by a man then they are straight and if girls are raped by a woman then they turn out gay and if boys are raped by a man they turn gay etc.... that logic has beed found to be not true when you take into account a greater population.  Say for example,  a family of sisters or brothers who are raped by the same person and each child responds differently.  How would you explain that??



Nothing new is dangerous when trying to help people understand their sexuality.  We all have much to learn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swissalps,</p>
<p>&#8220;Nothing new&#8221;  is a dangerous same ole same ole mentality.</p>
<p>There is something new &#8211; that is the portion of those being raped and the gender of their sexual attractions.   If girls are raped by a man then they are straight and if girls are raped by a woman then they turn out gay and if boys are raped by a man they turn gay etc&#8230;. that logic has beed found to be not true when you take into account a greater population.  Say for example,  a family of sisters or brothers who are raped by the same person and each child responds differently.  How would you explain that??</p>
<p>Nothing new is dangerous when trying to help people understand their sexuality.  We all have much to learn.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Lynn David&lt;/b&gt;



More data on extreme skewing



Skewed X-chromosome inactivation is common in fetuses or newborns associated with confined placental mosaicism

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1716095

From the abstract:

The inactivation of one X chromosome in females is normally random with regard to which X is inactivated. However, exclusive or almost-exclusive inactivation of one X may be observed in association with some X-autosomal rearrangements, mutations of the XIST gene, certain X-linked diseases, and MZ twinning.



What the heck is confined placental mosaicism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confined_placental_mosaicism



The short answer is that it can cause birth defects and general pregnancy problems but typically the baby develops more or less normally.



A Rett syndrome patient with a ring X chromosome: further evidence for skewing of X inactivation and heterogeneity in the aetiology of the disease

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v9/n3/abs/5200604a.html



If I understood this one correctly a TOTAL inactivation of one chromosome can cause Rett Syndrome.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rett_syndrome

INTERESTING!!!  Once again a partial connection with Autism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Lynn David</b></p>
<p>More data on extreme skewing</p>
<p>Skewed X-chromosome inactivation is common in fetuses or newborns associated with confined placental mosaicism</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1716095" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1716095</a></p>
<p>From the abstract:</p>
<p>The inactivation of one X chromosome in females is normally random with regard to which X is inactivated. However, exclusive or almost-exclusive inactivation of one X may be observed in association with some X-autosomal rearrangements, mutations of the XIST gene, certain X-linked diseases, and MZ twinning.</p>
<p>What the heck is confined placental mosaicism?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confined_placental_mosaicism" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confined_placental_mosaicism</a></p>
<p>The short answer is that it can cause birth defects and general pregnancy problems but typically the baby develops more or less normally.</p>
<p>A Rett syndrome patient with a ring X chromosome: further evidence for skewing of X inactivation and heterogeneity in the aetiology of the disease</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v9/n3/abs/5200604a.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v9/n3/abs/5200604a.html</a></p>
<p>If I understood this one correctly a TOTAL inactivation of one chromosome can cause Rett Syndrome.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rett_syndrome" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rett_syndrome</a></p>
<p>INTERESTING!!!  Once again a partial connection with Autism.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Lynn David&lt;/b&gt;



Thanks for the post, I think I understand.  BTW, I had to read it 5 times to figure it out.  8-)



Essentially the skewing could be caused by a Strong X.



Thats interesting because the first several articles I read mentioned that X inactivation was random.  Although I don&#039;t know much about the process my B.S. meter went up because hardly ANYTHING in nature is random.  There is always competition.  Then I saw some stories where scientists suspected that forces besides randomness were at work.  A Strong X weak x certainly fits in with a non-random theory.



As for how DNA methylation creates risk factors its time for me to do some more reading.  That paragraph stretched my cognitive abilities.  8-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Lynn David</b></p>
<p>Thanks for the post, I think I understand.  BTW, I had to read it 5 times to figure it out.  😎</p>
<p>Essentially the skewing could be caused by a Strong X.</p>
<p>Thats interesting because the first several articles I read mentioned that X inactivation was random.  Although I don&#8217;t know much about the process my B.S. meter went up because hardly ANYTHING in nature is random.  There is always competition.  Then I saw some stories where scientists suspected that forces besides randomness were at work.  A Strong X weak x certainly fits in with a non-random theory.</p>
<p>As for how DNA methylation creates risk factors its time for me to do some more reading.  That paragraph stretched my cognitive abilities.  😎</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Drowssap&lt;/b&gt; wrote:  &quot;&lt;i&gt;Doesn’t the Hamer study make the case that skewing of X Inactivation in moms who have gay kids shows some type of inheritance? That might make sense but I think my brain is going to melt. If X inactivation is a natural random process that occurs after fertilization how does it show inheritance? &lt;/i&gt;&quot;



To the first yes, because they saw it sometimes in daughters, if my memory serves me right.  To the second, it shows inheritance in the skew towards one X-chromosome - at least that is how I read it.   When  I first saw this I thought of it as a &quot;strong X-chromosome&quot; one that was dominant and resist methylation in the same way genes are either dominant or recessive.



As to diseases, such epigenetic changes, particularly DNA methylation, are susceptible to change and are excellent candidates to explain how certain environmental factors may increase the risk of cancer. Changes may lead to chromosomal instability, &lt;b&gt;loss of imprinting, illegitimate expression&lt;/b&gt;, and mutations, and may contribute to the silencing of tumour suppressor genes.  And yeah, I had some help writing that.



&lt;b&gt;Drowssap&lt;/b&gt; furtherwrote:  &quot;&lt;i&gt;What I’m saying is that X inactivation (skewed or otherwise) is not heritable. It is a theoreticaly random process that occurs in the moms while they are forming in the womb. That process isn’t heritable and it isn’t sent to the sons who are born gay. Men don’t even have X inactivation.



Heredity? Wha??? &lt;/i&gt;&quot;



The X-chromosome inactivation is supposed to be random, the skew is a trend against that randomness in favor of one or the other X-chromosomes which resists methylation.   Thus if an entire X-chromosome resists methylation, then that epigenetic state is inheritable with the chromosome.



At least that is the way I see it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Drowssap</b> wrote:  &#8220;<i>Doesn’t the Hamer study make the case that skewing of X Inactivation in moms who have gay kids shows some type of inheritance? That might make sense but I think my brain is going to melt. If X inactivation is a natural random process that occurs after fertilization how does it show inheritance? </i>&#8221;</p>
<p>To the first yes, because they saw it sometimes in daughters, if my memory serves me right.  To the second, it shows inheritance in the skew towards one X-chromosome &#8211; at least that is how I read it.   When  I first saw this I thought of it as a &#8220;strong X-chromosome&#8221; one that was dominant and resist methylation in the same way genes are either dominant or recessive.</p>
<p>As to diseases, such epigenetic changes, particularly DNA methylation, are susceptible to change and are excellent candidates to explain how certain environmental factors may increase the risk of cancer. Changes may lead to chromosomal instability, <b>loss of imprinting, illegitimate expression</b>, and mutations, and may contribute to the silencing of tumour suppressor genes.  And yeah, I had some help writing that.</p>
<p><b>Drowssap</b> furtherwrote:  &#8220;<i>What I’m saying is that X inactivation (skewed or otherwise) is not heritable. It is a theoreticaly random process that occurs in the moms while they are forming in the womb. That process isn’t heritable and it isn’t sent to the sons who are born gay. Men don’t even have X inactivation.</p>
<p>Heredity? Wha??? </i>&#8221;</p>
<p>The X-chromosome inactivation is supposed to be random, the skew is a trend against that randomness in favor of one or the other X-chromosomes which resists methylation.   Thus if an entire X-chromosome resists methylation, then that epigenetic state is inheritable with the chromosome.</p>
<p>At least that is the way I see it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Lynn David&lt;/b&gt;



What I&#039;m saying is that X inactivation (skewed or otherwise) is not heritable.  It is a theoreticaly random process that occurs in the moms while they are forming in the womb.  That process isn&#039;t heritable and it isn&#039;t sent to the sons who are born gay.  Men don&#039;t even have X inactivation.



Heredity?  Wha???



Once again brain melting]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Lynn David</b></p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that X inactivation (skewed or otherwise) is not heritable.  It is a theoreticaly random process that occurs in the moms while they are forming in the womb.  That process isn&#8217;t heritable and it isn&#8217;t sent to the sons who are born gay.  Men don&#8217;t even have X inactivation.</p>
<p>Heredity?  Wha???</p>
<p>Once again brain melting</p>
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