Comments on: Sexual identity therapy and neutrality, Part two https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:33:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.3 By: Eddy https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7172 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:33:41 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7172 Jayhuck replied to me: “I get the real impression that your everyone-does-it-argument is a way of demeaning what happens to gay people – I hope I’m wrong here.”

You are.

]]> By: Mary https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7171 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:59:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7171 Remember when men blamed women’s liberation on their unemployment??

]]> By: Ann https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7170 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:49:07 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7170 thanks Jayhuck – and I am sorry if I misunderstood.

]]> By: jayhuck https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7169 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:35:06 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7169 Ann,

I never said that gay people weren’t the only oppressed minority – I’m sorry if I even suggested that

]]> By: Ann https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7168 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:12:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7168 It doesn’t matter who the oppressor is – that’s not the point – the point is that gay people are the oppressed right now and there is no excuse for that whatsoever.

Jayhuck,

The point is that gay people are not the only people who are oppressed right now. That is a fact. Your perception of Eddy’s comments are interesting. Since I wasn’t looking for something to pick on, I didn’t perceive his comments the same as you did.

]]> By: jayhuck https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7167 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:55:35 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7167 Eddy,

“I even theorize that it increases in times of tension and unrest. People are frustrated and feeling powerless. Those who are immature find a ‘quick fix’ in oppressing, bullying, making fun of anyone different from them.”

— Its funny you said this. It reminds me of something Dr. Nicolosi said when he made fun of gay people during one of his speeches 🙂

]]> By: jayhuck https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7166 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:42:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7166 Eddy,

I get the real impression that your everyone-does-it-argument is a way of demeaning what happens to gay people – I hope I’m wrong here. Everyone doesn’t do it – and sometimes, the way its done to certain groups is far worse than what some other groups receive. Even if everyone really does do it, that doesn’t make it right, and that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight it every chance we get.

Ann,

It doesn’t matter who the oppressor is – that’s not the point – the point is that gay people are the oppressed right now and there is no excuse for that whatsoever.

]]> By: Ann https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7165 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:47:14 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7165 Take someone from a minority and give them the opportunity to be the oppressor…and they most often will. It happens more often than you’d think.

Eddy,

This is so true – I also think it comes from a temporary and artificial feeling of empowerment. Somehow if we can re-live our oppressive experiences through someone else, and be the one in power, it gives us a sense of relief.

]]> By: jag https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7164 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:36:44 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7164 Eddy –

Sounds like the proverbial “frustration-aggression hypothesis” to me….

Thus, during the times of slavery, the times with the most hangings were the times when the cotton crops were the worst.

]]> By: Eddy https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7163 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:15:24 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-two/#comment-7163 People always have and always will pick on minorities–or the proverbial (and actual) little guy. 🙂

The pretty girls vs the plain ones, the rich kids vs the ‘have nots’, the soc’s vs the greasers (Stay gold!), the jocks vs the nerds, Us (us, us…) and Them (them, them…) Sorry, was having a Pink Floyd moment.

I’ve actually come to believe that it’s universal. Take someone from a minority and give them the opportunity to be the oppressor…and they most often will. It happens more often than you’d think.

I agree it’s ugly. I get pretty upset when I see it happening on the blog. You know those times when it seems everybody is bashing one blogger…

I even theorize that it increases in times of tension and unrest. People are frustrated and feeling powerless. Those who are immature find a ‘quick fix’ in oppressing, bullying, making fun of anyone different from them.

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