<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>
	Comments on: Gaystraightalliance.org update: Owner silent on disturbing content	</title>
	<atom:link href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/</link>
	<description>A [retired] college psychology professor&#039;s observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:05:03 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>
	hourly	</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>
	1	</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3</generator>
	<item>
		<title>
		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63499</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63499</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Regarding solicitors.  We had some religious types come to  our condos one time where we had a no solicitors sign in front.  I asked one of the men if they were selling something.  His reply was that they were only telling people about God.  My reply - &quot;So you are trying to sell me your version of God?&quot;  His &quot;We aren&#039;t sellling!&quot;  Mine - &quot;Please leave.  You are peddling God and we request no solicitors.&quot;  He argued and finally had to be escorted off the premises by a gay man.



Oh yeah.  They&#039;re all selling something.  And let me tell ya&#039; it ain&#039;t the real thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding solicitors.  We had some religious types come to  our condos one time where we had a no solicitors sign in front.  I asked one of the men if they were selling something.  His reply was that they were only telling people about God.  My reply &#8211; &#8220;So you are trying to sell me your version of God?&#8221;  His &#8220;We aren&#8217;t sellling!&#8221;  Mine &#8211; &#8220;Please leave.  You are peddling God and we request no solicitors.&#8221;  He argued and finally had to be escorted off the premises by a gay man.</p>
<p>Oh yeah.  They&#8217;re all selling something.  And let me tell ya&#8217; it ain&#8217;t the real thing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63498</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[For the record, I found the newsletter JAG quoted far more offensive that the persistent young man at my door. It may be my filter system...but those conservative Christian/political messages don&#039;t reach me anymore. Perhaps they got tired of my criticisms of their message and style...or, maybe just maybe, I&#039;ve dropped under radar. (The most crass part of ones like JAG cited are how they try to guilt you into a big donation. They don&#039;t even mention anything under $100 as being acceptable til near the end...and then, everything under what...$25...is &#039;other&#039;. I used to challenge &#039;em with, &quot;If you believe this is God&#039;s mission...and you believe that these people you write to hear from God...why not just ask them to pray and said the amount they feel God has directed rather than the amount you think they should give?&quot; There&#039;s a time for the word &#039;huckster&#039; and this situation would be one of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I found the newsletter JAG quoted far more offensive that the persistent young man at my door. It may be my filter system&#8230;but those conservative Christian/political messages don&#8217;t reach me anymore. Perhaps they got tired of my criticisms of their message and style&#8230;or, maybe just maybe, I&#8217;ve dropped under radar. (The most crass part of ones like JAG cited are how they try to guilt you into a big donation. They don&#8217;t even mention anything under $100 as being acceptable til near the end&#8230;and then, everything under what&#8230;$25&#8230;is &#8216;other&#8217;. I used to challenge &#8217;em with, &#8220;If you believe this is God&#8217;s mission&#8230;and you believe that these people you write to hear from God&#8230;why not just ask them to pray and said the amount they feel God has directed rather than the amount you think they should give?&#8221; There&#8217;s a time for the word &#8216;huckster&#8217; and this situation would be one of them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63497</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63497</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your response Eddy...I agree, no one likes a pushy salesperson....



especially when what they are pushing is a string of falsehoods.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response Eddy&#8230;I agree, no one likes a pushy salesperson&#8230;.</p>
<p>especially when what they are pushing is a string of falsehoods.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63496</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[OOPS! I crossed-threads...the Christian propaganda piece that JAG quoted is in one of the other current threads. But, since the conversations all seemed to follow similar paths, I forgot which one. Anyway, sorry for any confusion!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOPS! I crossed-threads&#8230;the Christian propaganda piece that JAG quoted is in one of the other current threads. But, since the conversations all seemed to follow similar paths, I forgot which one. Anyway, sorry for any confusion!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63495</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2007/08/13/gaystraightallianceorg-update-owner-silent-on-disturbing-content/#comment-63495</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I also think it&#039;s important to talk about this stuff but not at the expense of addressing a serious current situation. I was actually of the opinion that everyone was over-reacting and that Wyant was simply a bad writer but, when I read the blurb from The Gay Library, I realized that there&#039;s something pretty serious afoot. His site makes him look well-connected in his local gay community; I&#039;m hoping this is only &#039;spin&#039; and that he&#039;s simply given himself and his views an inflated profile.

Regarding the statement that &#039;we saw it happen in the black community&#039;...I&#039;m thinking I must have seriously underestimated Jayhuck&#039;s age. Violence as a means and method for achieving racial equality flourished in the 1960&#039;s and, to some extent, the 1970&#039;s. Neighborhoods were torn apart, buildings burned, vehicles trashed, rocks thrown. The violence, although most could understand its roots, was often misdirected and had the innocent among its victims. (I was writing letters to the editor in my teens, co-edited our high school&#039;s &#039;underground newspaper&#039;, graduated 1970, took a job at an all-black swimming pool and later moved into a racially mixed neighborhood that bordered on our city&#039;s racial hot-spot.) And, while I admit to having a strong anti-violence nature (an official &#039;conscientious objector&#039; during the Vietnam Era), I never saw that the violence brought about any &#039;good&#039; or advancement for the equal rights cause.



JAG, thanks for a more cordial tone! I appreciate it. The letter you quoted is an embarrassment to concerned Christians; the incessant appeals for financial support are downright crass. (I contacted a number of agencies responsible for such tactics back in my &#039;involved days&#039; and criticized both their message and their begging strategies. I&#039;m sure you can guess that my criticisms fell mostly on deaf ears.)



To be fair though, there&#039;s a certain amount of hysteria on both sides. I didn&#039;t get the mailing you quoted because I&#039;m not on any such mailing lists. I did however have a visit from the Human Rights Campaign at my door a few weeks ago. Although I politely told the young man that I wasn&#039;t interested and that I was quite busy at the moment, he was quite persistent. LOL! I was in the middle of blogging here, it took about 5 minutes to get rid of him and that was after I threatened to report him for trespassing. (He was INSIDE my &#039;secure building&#039; going door to door and when I asked who gave him access he lied and said &#039;the landlord&#039;. I checked with both the landlord and the caretaker.) No, I&#039;m not saying HRC is a bunch of pushy, trespassing liars. I&#039;m saying this particular canvasser was.

BTW: Before anyone starts ironing their judge robe, I have signed Human Rights Campaign petitions in the past and have donated. I had my name taken from their rolls when I realized that my signature in support of Equal Rights for Gays was also being used in support of other non-gay issues where I disagreed. I don&#039;t like ANYBODY telling me how I&#039;m supposed to respond to a particular issue and I certainly don&#039;t like them saying I support something that I don&#039;t. From that point on, I&#039;ve avoided &#039;campaigns&#039; of any sort electing instead to actually voice my own opinion when I feel it&#039;s necessary or called for.  BTW: I NEVER signed any church-sponsored petitions or contributed to any religious/political causes because I didn&#039;t support all of THEIR agendas either.



From those parts of this discussion that have remained on track, it appears that some appropriate steps have been taken to thwart Wyant&#039;s misrepresentation and his advocacy of violence as a means to an end. I say we keep a watch on his doings--and whether he seems to be gaining any credibility. The most dangerous thing about people with such views is that, when they find even a few others who agree with them, it often spurs them to live out their fantasy or to encourage these others to live them out for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think it&#8217;s important to talk about this stuff but not at the expense of addressing a serious current situation. I was actually of the opinion that everyone was over-reacting and that Wyant was simply a bad writer but, when I read the blurb from The Gay Library, I realized that there&#8217;s something pretty serious afoot. His site makes him look well-connected in his local gay community; I&#8217;m hoping this is only &#8216;spin&#8217; and that he&#8217;s simply given himself and his views an inflated profile.</p>
<p>Regarding the statement that &#8216;we saw it happen in the black community&#8217;&#8230;I&#8217;m thinking I must have seriously underestimated Jayhuck&#8217;s age. Violence as a means and method for achieving racial equality flourished in the 1960&#8217;s and, to some extent, the 1970&#8217;s. Neighborhoods were torn apart, buildings burned, vehicles trashed, rocks thrown. The violence, although most could understand its roots, was often misdirected and had the innocent among its victims. (I was writing letters to the editor in my teens, co-edited our high school&#8217;s &#8216;underground newspaper&#8217;, graduated 1970, took a job at an all-black swimming pool and later moved into a racially mixed neighborhood that bordered on our city&#8217;s racial hot-spot.) And, while I admit to having a strong anti-violence nature (an official &#8216;conscientious objector&#8217; during the Vietnam Era), I never saw that the violence brought about any &#8216;good&#8217; or advancement for the equal rights cause.</p>
<p>JAG, thanks for a more cordial tone! I appreciate it. The letter you quoted is an embarrassment to concerned Christians; the incessant appeals for financial support are downright crass. (I contacted a number of agencies responsible for such tactics back in my &#8216;involved days&#8217; and criticized both their message and their begging strategies. I&#8217;m sure you can guess that my criticisms fell mostly on deaf ears.)</p>
<p>To be fair though, there&#8217;s a certain amount of hysteria on both sides. I didn&#8217;t get the mailing you quoted because I&#8217;m not on any such mailing lists. I did however have a visit from the Human Rights Campaign at my door a few weeks ago. Although I politely told the young man that I wasn&#8217;t interested and that I was quite busy at the moment, he was quite persistent. LOL! I was in the middle of blogging here, it took about 5 minutes to get rid of him and that was after I threatened to report him for trespassing. (He was INSIDE my &#8216;secure building&#8217; going door to door and when I asked who gave him access he lied and said &#8216;the landlord&#8217;. I checked with both the landlord and the caretaker.) No, I&#8217;m not saying HRC is a bunch of pushy, trespassing liars. I&#8217;m saying this particular canvasser was.</p>
<p>BTW: Before anyone starts ironing their judge robe, I have signed Human Rights Campaign petitions in the past and have donated. I had my name taken from their rolls when I realized that my signature in support of Equal Rights for Gays was also being used in support of other non-gay issues where I disagreed. I don&#8217;t like ANYBODY telling me how I&#8217;m supposed to respond to a particular issue and I certainly don&#8217;t like them saying I support something that I don&#8217;t. From that point on, I&#8217;ve avoided &#8216;campaigns&#8217; of any sort electing instead to actually voice my own opinion when I feel it&#8217;s necessary or called for.  BTW: I NEVER signed any church-sponsored petitions or contributed to any religious/political causes because I didn&#8217;t support all of THEIR agendas either.</p>
<p>From those parts of this discussion that have remained on track, it appears that some appropriate steps have been taken to thwart Wyant&#8217;s misrepresentation and his advocacy of violence as a means to an end. I say we keep a watch on his doings&#8211;and whether he seems to be gaining any credibility. The most dangerous thing about people with such views is that, when they find even a few others who agree with them, it often spurs them to live out their fantasy or to encourage these others to live them out for them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
