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	Comments on: Sexual identity therapy and neutrality, Part one	</title>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/08/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-one/#comment-7078</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[LOL! Jayhuck, I DID answer your question on neutrality...just not in THIS thread. My bad. It seems we&#039;ve had about 10 threads with recent comments and the side bar only links to five. Anyway, rather than theorize on neutrality as an outsider, I thought it best to let the particpants speak for themselves. See my post in the &quot;APA Sexual Identity Therapy Symposium&quot; thread.



Regarding my &#039;assumptions&#039;. You&#039;re raised similar questions challenging SIT before and Warren and others have made it quite clear that is for people who find themselves conflicted--so, yes, I&#039;m assuming you know that it isn&#039;t for &#039;happy gay people&#039;. Some time back, I seem to recall that you said you followed the links to the SIT framework, etc. and read them. So, again, I assumed that you knew the framework never called it a &#039;disease&#039;. If that&#039;s making assumptions, I&#039;ll gladly &#039;own it&#039;.



Regarding my challenge to read past blogs and to google the definitions. I do apologize for a slightly snarky tone when writing that but, seriously, a number of us have been discussing these terms off and on for months...you included. We&#039;ve actually been having some genuine communication while you&#039;re somehow stuck on Chapter 1. That&#039;s why I&#039;m suggesting you google your way to the clinical definitions. (I tried it myself before suggesting it to you the first time! Your answers actually come up in the first page of results. I was &#039;there&#039; in less than 5 minutes and I rarely google.)

BTW: when searching for two or more words that you want to find as a pair or group always put quotes around the set i.e. &quot;sexual identity&quot; or &quot;gender identity&quot;; that&#039;ll focus your results. (LOL! I want to ASSUME that you know that already but couldn&#039;t take the chance that you didn&#039;t. I wish I knew how to link but, alas, I barely know how to follow links.)



Another BTW: these two terms are NOT like &#039;ex-gay&#039;; these terms originated in the psychological community not a church or ministry and have definitions that are a bit more precise albeit wordier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Jayhuck, I DID answer your question on neutrality&#8230;just not in THIS thread. My bad. It seems we&#8217;ve had about 10 threads with recent comments and the side bar only links to five. Anyway, rather than theorize on neutrality as an outsider, I thought it best to let the particpants speak for themselves. See my post in the &#8220;APA Sexual Identity Therapy Symposium&#8221; thread.</p>
<p>Regarding my &#8216;assumptions&#8217;. You&#8217;re raised similar questions challenging SIT before and Warren and others have made it quite clear that is for people who find themselves conflicted&#8211;so, yes, I&#8217;m assuming you know that it isn&#8217;t for &#8216;happy gay people&#8217;. Some time back, I seem to recall that you said you followed the links to the SIT framework, etc. and read them. So, again, I assumed that you knew the framework never called it a &#8216;disease&#8217;. If that&#8217;s making assumptions, I&#8217;ll gladly &#8216;own it&#8217;.</p>
<p>Regarding my challenge to read past blogs and to google the definitions. I do apologize for a slightly snarky tone when writing that but, seriously, a number of us have been discussing these terms off and on for months&#8230;you included. We&#8217;ve actually been having some genuine communication while you&#8217;re somehow stuck on Chapter 1. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m suggesting you google your way to the clinical definitions. (I tried it myself before suggesting it to you the first time! Your answers actually come up in the first page of results. I was &#8216;there&#8217; in less than 5 minutes and I rarely google.)</p>
<p>BTW: when searching for two or more words that you want to find as a pair or group always put quotes around the set i.e. &#8220;sexual identity&#8221; or &#8220;gender identity&#8221;; that&#8217;ll focus your results. (LOL! I want to ASSUME that you know that already but couldn&#8217;t take the chance that you didn&#8217;t. I wish I knew how to link but, alas, I barely know how to follow links.)</p>
<p>Another BTW: these two terms are NOT like &#8216;ex-gay&#8217;; these terms originated in the psychological community not a church or ministry and have definitions that are a bit more precise albeit wordier.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/08/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-one/#comment-7077</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone is probably going to have their own definition anyway.



Jayhuck,



I think your statement above is the perfect answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is probably going to have their own definition anyway.</p>
<p>Jayhuck,</p>
<p>I think your statement above is the perfect answer.</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/08/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-one/#comment-7076</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,



And you never answered my question regarding neutrality!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>And you never answered my question regarding neutrality!</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/08/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-one/#comment-7075</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddy,



To be honest, I did not know that - but thanks for making a whole lot of assumptions.



Instead of me spending hours and hours researching this topic, is there anyone who can give me - besides Eddy - a very brief definition of Sexual Identity and Gender Identification.  If these terms are anything like Ex-Gay, Everyone is probably going to have their own definition anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,</p>
<p>To be honest, I did not know that &#8211; but thanks for making a whole lot of assumptions.</p>
<p>Instead of me spending hours and hours researching this topic, is there anyone who can give me &#8211; besides Eddy &#8211; a very brief definition of Sexual Identity and Gender Identification.  If these terms are anything like Ex-Gay, Everyone is probably going to have their own definition anyway.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/08/08/sexual-identity-therapy-and-neutrality-part-one/#comment-7074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve recently asked  &quot;what do you mean by &#039;sexual identity&#039; anyway?&quot;. Today you ask &quot;what is &#039;gender identification&#039; anyway?&quot;. A search of the blog archives will lead you to previous discussions on those topics; a google search will lead you to pages and pages of resources on either topic. My suggestion: you go read what&#039;s been said here in the past, check out the links google takes you to and find current definitions. Then, if you still have questions about the meaning of either term, come back with the portion of the definition that you don&#039;t understand and I&#039;ll (we&#039;ll) help you with that.



Yeah, Jayhuck, we&#039;re not suggesting required SIT therapy for happy gay people. But you know that. Nowhere in the SIT framework is homosexuality ever called a &#039;disease&#039;. But you know that as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve recently asked  &#8220;what do you mean by &#8216;sexual identity&#8217; anyway?&#8221;. Today you ask &#8220;what is &#8216;gender identification&#8217; anyway?&#8221;. A search of the blog archives will lead you to previous discussions on those topics; a google search will lead you to pages and pages of resources on either topic. My suggestion: you go read what&#8217;s been said here in the past, check out the links google takes you to and find current definitions. Then, if you still have questions about the meaning of either term, come back with the portion of the definition that you don&#8217;t understand and I&#8217;ll (we&#8217;ll) help you with that.</p>
<p>Yeah, Jayhuck, we&#8217;re not suggesting required SIT therapy for happy gay people. But you know that. Nowhere in the SIT framework is homosexuality ever called a &#8216;disease&#8217;. But you know that as well.</p>
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