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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/30/is-religious-belief-a-choice/#comment-7053</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[thank you Lynne - that&#039;s the term!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you Lynne &#8211; that&#8217;s the term!</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The notion that religiosity has roots deep in the human psyche is not particularly new.  There are numerous sociological and psychological theories that tinker with this notion, and I suspect it has some merit.



We all have, for example, varying needs for &quot;clear explanation&quot; of things that are inexplicable.  Human beings seem to be uncomfortable with the unknown, and are often willing to substitute the unknowable in its place to provide some sort of articulate explanation.



What disturbs me about Dr. Throckmorton&#039;s description here is what appears to be the application of the gay/lesbian sexual orientation narrative being applied to religion.  I believe such an approach is doomed to a variety of failures, in part because it ultimately depends on the  existence of logical equivalences that likely do not exist.



It&#039;s rather like various feminist rantings I&#039;ve read (e.g. Butler, Fausto-Sterling, or more recently Bindel) who keep trying to apply a &quot;lesbian-feminist&quot; narrative to the experience of transsexuals.  What appears to be a reasonable bit of reasoning at first turns out to be based on assumptions of equivalence (and connections) that are suspect at best, downright wrong in many cases.



I&#039;m also cautious about confusing religiosity (as in the prediliction to believe in a religious tradition), with following a specific religion.  Specific religious belief is likely some kind of intellectual construct within the mind, and the sense of &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; that different people experience for a connection to a religion is going to vary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that religiosity has roots deep in the human psyche is not particularly new.  There are numerous sociological and psychological theories that tinker with this notion, and I suspect it has some merit.</p>
<p>We all have, for example, varying needs for &#8220;clear explanation&#8221; of things that are inexplicable.  Human beings seem to be uncomfortable with the unknown, and are often willing to substitute the unknowable in its place to provide some sort of articulate explanation.</p>
<p>What disturbs me about Dr. Throckmorton&#8217;s description here is what appears to be the application of the gay/lesbian sexual orientation narrative being applied to religion.  I believe such an approach is doomed to a variety of failures, in part because it ultimately depends on the  existence of logical equivalences that likely do not exist.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s rather like various feminist rantings I&#8217;ve read (e.g. Butler, Fausto-Sterling, or more recently Bindel) who keep trying to apply a &#8220;lesbian-feminist&#8221; narrative to the experience of transsexuals.  What appears to be a reasonable bit of reasoning at first turns out to be based on assumptions of equivalence (and connections) that are suspect at best, downright wrong in many cases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also cautious about confusing religiosity (as in the prediliction to believe in a religious tradition), with following a specific religion.  Specific religious belief is likely some kind of intellectual construct within the mind, and the sense of <i>need</i> that different people experience for a connection to a religion is going to vary.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A person who grows disiillisioned with his faith also has the option of going more indepth with his faith and recovering deeper meaning and understanding of that faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A person who grows disiillisioned with his faith also has the option of going more indepth with his faith and recovering deeper meaning and understanding of that faith.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/30/is-religious-belief-a-choice/#comment-7050</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jag,

I can understand how you would interpret that as a dichotmy.  For some people it really is a dichotomy.  I guees for me it would be.  (That is me interpretting the teachings of the bible for my own life and not applying it to yours or anyone else)



There are some people like you say where they have found a place where their christianity (religious belief etc...) can blend with their homosexuality.



And I think - trying to be more clear - what I was trying to say is that through SIT a person who is predominantly religious over his/her sexuality will either change that perspective on their religion and evaluate the meaning, teachings etc... differently and find a religion/sexuality that works for them or they will blend not evaluate that perspective on their religion  it&#039;s meaning, teachings etc differently and they will still find a religion/sexuality that works for them.  In the later that sexuality may not be expressing homosexuality to the same degree that others might.



Not a dichotomy to them if they say so.  But it could be described as a dichotomy to someone else who evaluates the same things differently.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jag,</p>
<p>I can understand how you would interpret that as a dichotmy.  For some people it really is a dichotomy.  I guees for me it would be.  (That is me interpretting the teachings of the bible for my own life and not applying it to yours or anyone else)</p>
<p>There are some people like you say where they have found a place where their christianity (religious belief etc&#8230;) can blend with their homosexuality.</p>
<p>And I think &#8211; trying to be more clear &#8211; what I was trying to say is that through SIT a person who is predominantly religious over his/her sexuality will either change that perspective on their religion and evaluate the meaning, teachings etc&#8230; differently and find a religion/sexuality that works for them or they will blend not evaluate that perspective on their religion  it&#8217;s meaning, teachings etc differently and they will still find a religion/sexuality that works for them.  In the later that sexuality may not be expressing homosexuality to the same degree that others might.</p>
<p>Not a dichotomy to them if they say so.  But it could be described as a dichotomy to someone else who evaluates the same things differently.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The anglo version of th Amish tradition is: &lt;b&gt;Rumspringer&lt;/b&gt;.   I imagine it has a different spelling in German/Deutsch/Schweizerdeutsch since Rumspringer really doesn&#039;t translate from anything German.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anglo version of th Amish tradition is: <b>Rumspringer</b>.   I imagine it has a different spelling in German/Deutsch/Schweizerdeutsch since Rumspringer really doesn&#8217;t translate from anything German.</p>
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