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	Comments on: New York Magazine on married men who stray with men	</title>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I kinda agree with you ANON2 - when people don&#039;t like a behavior (of any kind) they believe they have recieved divine word from GOD himself on the matter through subconcious (sp?) revelation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda agree with you ANON2 &#8211; when people don&#8217;t like a behavior (of any kind) they believe they have recieved divine word from GOD himself on the matter through subconcious (sp?) revelation.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anon2,



I said to Sonja: &lt;i&gt;It’s not that God hasn’t spoken to our conscience. It’s just that you don’t like what He had to say.&lt;/i&gt;



You said: &lt;i&gt;Timothy, Right back at you.&lt;/i&gt;



You are quite mistaken, Anon2.  I think you should live in accordance with the direction that you believe God is leading you.



Yet Sonja is unwilling to apply the same to me.



Let me ask you, Anon2.  Would you rather have me live as I believe God is directing me, or would you have me to live in accordance with &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; convictions?



(and this time please answer the question rather than complain about what people shouldn&#039;t be allowed to tell you)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon2,</p>
<p>I said to Sonja: <i>It’s not that God hasn’t spoken to our conscience. It’s just that you don’t like what He had to say.</i></p>
<p>You said: <i>Timothy, Right back at you.</i></p>
<p>You are quite mistaken, Anon2.  I think you should live in accordance with the direction that you believe God is leading you.</p>
<p>Yet Sonja is unwilling to apply the same to me.</p>
<p>Let me ask you, Anon2.  Would you rather have me live as I believe God is directing me, or would you have me to live in accordance with <b>your</b> convictions?</p>
<p>(and this time please answer the question rather than complain about what people shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to tell you)</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;jayhuck&lt;/b&gt;



Ok... so the fact that the straight porn industry never shows men penetrating each other doesn&#039;t suggest that they are playing to market forces.  I disagree, but fair enough.



What about the Bailey study suggesting that bisexual men were usually aroused exclusively by images of men?



http://www.gaypasg.org/GayPASG/PressClippings/2005/Jul/Straight,%20Gay%20or%20Lying-%20Bisexuality%20Revisited.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>jayhuck</b></p>
<p>Ok&#8230; so the fact that the straight porn industry never shows men penetrating each other doesn&#8217;t suggest that they are playing to market forces.  I disagree, but fair enough.</p>
<p>What about the Bailey study suggesting that bisexual men were usually aroused exclusively by images of men?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gaypasg.org/GayPASG/PressClippings/2005/Jul/Straight,%20Gay%20or%20Lying-%20Bisexuality%20Revisited.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gaypasg.org/GayPASG/PressClippings/2005/Jul/Straight,%20Gay%20or%20Lying-%20Bisexuality%20Revisited.htm</a></p>
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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/23/new-york-times-on-married-men-who-stray-with-men/#comment-6896</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am curious what readers think of counseling that collaborates with such men to maintain a marriage if that is indeed what they value most.&quot;



My thoughts? Individuals would not seek a therapist for &quot;collaboration&quot;...that is not a therapist&#039;s function. People have always sought me as a therapist when they are having difficulties functioning in one realm or another...and this gentleman, if he is happy in his duplicity, would likely never seek a therapist to begin with. If he was looking for &quot;collaboration,&quot; he would likely seek out a friend. What would be my function?



Even in couples therapy, my goal is to help * the couple* decide what best suits them, their needs, determine what they want, etc...and sometimes, the resolution is not what I would personally choose for them (if I could).



If he has already made the choice...it seems I would have no work to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am curious what readers think of counseling that collaborates with such men to maintain a marriage if that is indeed what they value most.&#8221;</p>
<p>My thoughts? Individuals would not seek a therapist for &#8220;collaboration&#8221;&#8230;that is not a therapist&#8217;s function. People have always sought me as a therapist when they are having difficulties functioning in one realm or another&#8230;and this gentleman, if he is happy in his duplicity, would likely never seek a therapist to begin with. If he was looking for &#8220;collaboration,&#8221; he would likely seek out a friend. What would be my function?</p>
<p>Even in couples therapy, my goal is to help * the couple* decide what best suits them, their needs, determine what they want, etc&#8230;and sometimes, the resolution is not what I would personally choose for them (if I could).</p>
<p>If he has already made the choice&#8230;it seems I would have no work to do.</p>
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		By: Anon2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Timothy,

   Right back at you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>   Right back at you.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/23/new-york-times-on-married-men-who-stray-with-men/#comment-6894</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sonja,



&lt;blockquote&gt;I find it interesting in that the same God who speaks to your conscience about deceit and adultery and negligent homicide has also spoken to you about homosexuality…yet even our “Christian” counselor is comfortable doing “therapy” according to “values” that assert that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle/behavior option. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



It&#039;s not that God hasn&#039;t spoken to our conscience.  It&#039;s just that you don&#039;t like what He had to say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonja,</p>
<blockquote><p>I find it interesting in that the same God who speaks to your conscience about deceit and adultery and negligent homicide has also spoken to you about homosexuality…yet even our “Christian” counselor is comfortable doing “therapy” according to “values” that assert that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle/behavior option. </p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not that God hasn&#8217;t spoken to our conscience.  It&#8217;s just that you don&#8217;t like what He had to say.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[However by looking at what they sell you get a pretty good idea about what people want.



I&#039;m not sure if everyone could be included in this - those that look at porn are usually not satisified with their sex life and are looking for a &quot;boost&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However by looking at what they sell you get a pretty good idea about what people want.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if everyone could be included in this &#8211; those that look at porn are usually not satisified with their sex life and are looking for a &#8220;boost&#8221;.</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayhuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Drowssap&lt;/b&gt;



 - You must have missed my message above so I&#039;ll repeat myself - looking at straight porn doesn&#039;t make you straight.  As a gay kid growing up I looked at a great deal of straight porn, but you can believe I wasn&#039;t looking at the woman.



Your porn industry example is bad and proves absolutely nothing.  My long experience with men and what they are willing to share with me because I am gay has shown me that many self-professed straight men are actually bisexual - but our society makes it nearly impossible for them to admit that - and you can be assured many of them will go down fighting before they admit to having SSAs!   That doesn&#039;t make them completely straight]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Drowssap</b></p>
<p> &#8211; You must have missed my message above so I&#8217;ll repeat myself &#8211; looking at straight porn doesn&#8217;t make you straight.  As a gay kid growing up I looked at a great deal of straight porn, but you can believe I wasn&#8217;t looking at the woman.</p>
<p>Your porn industry example is bad and proves absolutely nothing.  My long experience with men and what they are willing to share with me because I am gay has shown me that many self-professed straight men are actually bisexual &#8211; but our society makes it nearly impossible for them to admit that &#8211; and you can be assured many of them will go down fighting before they admit to having SSAs!   That doesn&#8217;t make them completely straight</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;jayhuck&lt;/b&gt;



It isn&#039;t that there is no such thing as bisexual porn.  The fact of the matter is that it&#039;s themes aren&#039;t incorporated into straight porn.  That makes it pretty obvious that straight guys are absolutely straight.  If they weren&#039;t the porn industry would be forced to adjust.  There are exceptions to every rule but that doesn&#039;t disprove the norm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>jayhuck</b></p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t that there is no such thing as bisexual porn.  The fact of the matter is that it&#8217;s themes aren&#8217;t incorporated into straight porn.  That makes it pretty obvious that straight guys are absolutely straight.  If they weren&#8217;t the porn industry would be forced to adjust.  There are exceptions to every rule but that doesn&#8217;t disprove the norm.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Mary&lt;/b&gt;



Ok, the porn industry is definately sleezy bottomfeeders.  However by looking at what they sell you get a pretty good idea about what people want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mary</b></p>
<p>Ok, the porn industry is definately sleezy bottomfeeders.  However by looking at what they sell you get a pretty good idea about what people want.</p>
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