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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/20/the-washington-blade-writes-about-the-apa-task-force/#comment-6828</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JAG brings up what I believe to be one of the main problems when considering conservative church responses...it&#039;s what I call a &#039;sin meter mentality&#039;. When I addressed church gatherings years ago, I often quipped that &#039;on a scale of 1 to 10, most Christians had homosexuality as a 13&#039;. They&#039;d be quick to point out that it&#039;s &#039;an abomination&#039; yet fail to notice that &#039;lying lips are an abomination&#039; as well. (And, LOL, don&#039;t get me started on gluttony...which seems to be the church&#039;s pet sin. I&#039;m not the only one that thinks that televangelists, as a group, seem to be projecting &#039;fat and happy&#039;&#039;.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAG brings up what I believe to be one of the main problems when considering conservative church responses&#8230;it&#8217;s what I call a &#8216;sin meter mentality&#8217;. When I addressed church gatherings years ago, I often quipped that &#8216;on a scale of 1 to 10, most Christians had homosexuality as a 13&#8217;. They&#8217;d be quick to point out that it&#8217;s &#8216;an abomination&#8217; yet fail to notice that &#8216;lying lips are an abomination&#8217; as well. (And, LOL, don&#8217;t get me started on gluttony&#8230;which seems to be the church&#8217;s pet sin. I&#8217;m not the only one that thinks that televangelists, as a group, seem to be projecting &#8216;fat and happy&#8221;.)</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/20/the-washington-blade-writes-about-the-apa-task-force/#comment-6827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sonya -



regarding your comments:



 &quot;Our forefathers humbly recognized that human beings have no rights except those granted by Jehovah God, the Creator, who has spoken on homosexuality, calling it unnatural and immoral. So there is no “right” to sodomy or to “homosexual marriage” — even if we decide to pretend otherwise.&quot;



Funny, this same argument was used to justify things like slavery...after all, many christians of the time said that the &quot;creator&quot; was clear (see the verse &quot;slaves obey your master.&quot;) about slavery.



Time and and ebb and flow of societal disapproval seems to change religious tenor on more than one occasion. My prediction? We&#039;ll hear a big &quot;oh, we&#039;re sorry&quot; on the subject of same-sex marriage as well.



And as for the sodomy argument...it&#039;s more prevalent in opposite-sexed marriage than you think. Hmm...and as long as we&#039;re focusing on &quot;sins&quot;...what about gluttony?



I see a lot of overweight churchgoers these days, and nobody says anything to them. In fact, these sinners are even allowed to JOIN.



Please, even if you see homosexuality as a sin, treat all sinners the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonya &#8211;</p>
<p>regarding your comments:</p>
<p> &#8220;Our forefathers humbly recognized that human beings have no rights except those granted by Jehovah God, the Creator, who has spoken on homosexuality, calling it unnatural and immoral. So there is no “right” to sodomy or to “homosexual marriage” — even if we decide to pretend otherwise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, this same argument was used to justify things like slavery&#8230;after all, many christians of the time said that the &#8220;creator&#8221; was clear (see the verse &#8220;slaves obey your master.&#8221;) about slavery.</p>
<p>Time and and ebb and flow of societal disapproval seems to change religious tenor on more than one occasion. My prediction? We&#8217;ll hear a big &#8220;oh, we&#8217;re sorry&#8221; on the subject of same-sex marriage as well.</p>
<p>And as for the sodomy argument&#8230;it&#8217;s more prevalent in opposite-sexed marriage than you think. Hmm&#8230;and as long as we&#8217;re focusing on &#8220;sins&#8221;&#8230;what about gluttony?</p>
<p>I see a lot of overweight churchgoers these days, and nobody says anything to them. In fact, these sinners are even allowed to JOIN.</p>
<p>Please, even if you see homosexuality as a sin, treat all sinners the same.</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/20/the-washington-blade-writes-about-the-apa-task-force/#comment-6826</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jayhuck -



&quot;if I remember correctly, and then to give them ALL the available evidence on the subject - and that includes the fact that there are Christians who are gay and who don’t feel the need to change, even as they should give them information on groups like Exodus et al!&quot;



Thank you for your statements...enough of the false dichotomy pitting christianity against homosexuality. There are a lot of gay/lesbian christians, reconciling churches and ministries out there.



And many places of God who accept and celebrate them for exactly who they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayhuck &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;if I remember correctly, and then to give them ALL the available evidence on the subject &#8211; and that includes the fact that there are Christians who are gay and who don’t feel the need to change, even as they should give them information on groups like Exodus et al!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for your statements&#8230;enough of the false dichotomy pitting christianity against homosexuality. There are a lot of gay/lesbian christians, reconciling churches and ministries out there.</p>
<p>And many places of God who accept and celebrate them for exactly who they are.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/07/20/the-washington-blade-writes-about-the-apa-task-force/#comment-6825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Folks - I do not think we are getting anywhere with this. I am closing all comments on this thread. Please everybody -- breathe deeply and let&#039;s try again on another thread.



Moderating comments is difficult given the time it takes to read every comment and try to make distinctions between strong feeling and personal attacks. At times, I think I might just let it all go through without moderation and at other times, I think I will just remove comments altogether.



Again, I ask that all concerned keep remarks to the thread we are on and provide reasons for disagreements that exist on substantive issues. Inasmuch as I have allowed personal attacks through, I apologize.



For awhile anyway, references to personal characteristics (there you go again) or assuming what someone believes (you think all gays are evil) will be deleted no matter how substantive the actual comment is.



If folks want to email me about this, do so. But no more comments on this thread.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks &#8211; I do not think we are getting anywhere with this. I am closing all comments on this thread. Please everybody &#8212; breathe deeply and let&#8217;s try again on another thread.</p>
<p>Moderating comments is difficult given the time it takes to read every comment and try to make distinctions between strong feeling and personal attacks. At times, I think I might just let it all go through without moderation and at other times, I think I will just remove comments altogether.</p>
<p>Again, I ask that all concerned keep remarks to the thread we are on and provide reasons for disagreements that exist on substantive issues. Inasmuch as I have allowed personal attacks through, I apologize.</p>
<p>For awhile anyway, references to personal characteristics (there you go again) or assuming what someone believes (you think all gays are evil) will be deleted no matter how substantive the actual comment is.</p>
<p>If folks want to email me about this, do so. But no more comments on this thread.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Throckmorton,



I am going to ask you the same as Eddy did - I know my last response was removed and yet Timothy&#039;s continue to be posted.  Since mine was written in a very different manner than the ones you continue to post on his behalf, I&#039;m wondering why mine was removed.  I am respectfully asking that you post it. Please do not lose any more people who have contributed here in order to accommodate one who uses your forum for venting and targeting others with personal attacks.  Those who have been targeted have asked the perpetrator to stop in the nicest way we can and yet he chooses to violate the rules of decency and by his own admission - attack.  I am asking you to consider it as well and will respect whatever you decide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Throckmorton,</p>
<p>I am going to ask you the same as Eddy did &#8211; I know my last response was removed and yet Timothy&#8217;s continue to be posted.  Since mine was written in a very different manner than the ones you continue to post on his behalf, I&#8217;m wondering why mine was removed.  I am respectfully asking that you post it. Please do not lose any more people who have contributed here in order to accommodate one who uses your forum for venting and targeting others with personal attacks.  Those who have been targeted have asked the perpetrator to stop in the nicest way we can and yet he chooses to violate the rules of decency and by his own admission &#8211; attack.  I am asking you to consider it as well and will respect whatever you decide.</p>
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