Truth is, people “moving towards an understanding” should be scientists, making informed scientific hypothesis that are studied – not just making stuff up because it suits them, or the organization they represent. That’s why we have the scientific method…you know, all that “objective” stuff.

If I wanted subjective opinion, I’d ask my neighbor “ralph” – he’s a great guy, a farmer, and hasn’t studied a lick in his life…but boy his theories on things sure are interesting.

If you want to stick with “ralph,” that’s just fine…but as for myself, I’ll stick to science.

“father hunger” as an explanation for homosexuality is really reaching…

maybe those gay penguins in the zoo missed their daddy?

geez, people have to start getting a bit more creative.

It’s only anecdotal.. but she and her husband at the time did divorce and that was a factor.

I was not saying that christian divorce rate is not high. I was asking what the divorce rate, re maryy rate is among swinging couples.

Yes, swinging has always been around, but it seems to be growing among certain groups of people. They are much more organized know with clear rules about conduct, and there are some 3,000 swingers bars in the country I think now. It’s odd – I lived with a couple that, um, Swang? for about a year and it was difficult – I could never do it. 🙂

The divorce rate is high enough among Christians I don’t think we have a right to be pointing fingers at anyone else!

Swinging has always been a fashion of sorts (whether you were a pagan at the festivals or whatever) Among christians – correct me if I am wrong – swinging is not allwoed and forsaking all others is still part of the matrimonial contract. And of those marriages that allow swinging – what is the divorce rate, re-marry rate etc… this would indicate the type of people that are involved in “swinging” marriages.

I doubt that married couples do not have desires for others – but not all act on it. Or act on each time.

LOL, even when posting I knew that I wasn’t addressing any of those in an ‘in between’ state. Besides the ones you cited–with some sort of spousal agreement–we also need to reckon with those who decide that they want their marriage but they also want to continue with occasional bisexual flings. (These would be the ones who continue with bi behavior without informing their spouse.)

BTW: Very impressed by the more thoughtful and ‘to the point’ direction your comments have taken.

But its wrong to suggest that bisexuals who enter into marriage, or even many straight people, are going to foresake desires for others – that’s not the case anymore – not that I approve, mind you, but it seems to work for some.

Many married couples are engaging in the old pasttimes of Swinging – they remain married to one person, but each partner is able, within a set of rules, to sleep with others – or they invite others to be with them together – its not just about forsaking anymore 🙂