Comments on: Exodus, Ex-ex-gay conferences featured

By: Ron Sheckton

Ron Sheckton — Fri, 23 May 2008 09:11:05 +0000

I still think it’s ironic everyone is up in arms that Exodus aligned itself within politically connected Christian organizations and at the same time no one can call out the gay agenda for doing the same. If gay was a truly legit lifestyle then why do we need all the lobbyist’s and behind the scenes manipulators to prove how normal gay is when the proof has always been the people involved in the gay lifestyle. Christians are trying to preserve our way of life as well and that threatens gays because we also exercise self preservation. Gays don’t think that the previous generations that came before the modern western age saw the outcome of homosexual lifestyles in a societal construct. That the pros and cons were never debated the way they are in present day. Gays assume this is the first time in world history such things have been tried. The only thing that has changed is the expectation gays have for the world to conform to their ideals and that it’s their right to force everyone to agree that gay life is normal when the facts state otherwise. Does anyone gay or straight think it’s fair the government is trying to ban public displays of Christianity? Separation of church and state shouldn’t translate to being arrested or harassed for being in public stating what I believe-yet that’s the reality. (Merry CHRISTmas was replaced by the P.C. Happy Holidays was the start.) The courts are trying to say the first amendment applies to everyone except Christians because to acknowledge God in a public setting is such a bad thing. Yes-Christians HAVE to be political. Our rights are just as important even if the gay agenda says otherwise. We have the right to defend marriage as being between one man and one woman, we only have the last few thousand years as an example but that doesn’t mean anything to gays. They want this for themselves and don’t see that changing such laws doesn’t make it right and is unfair to force those who know it’s wrong accept it as a man made law. Christians follow Gods laws to the best of our ability. Gays judge us and think we should be as perfect as can be and laugh at the notion that it says as plain as day being gay is not what God intended for men or women. When gays get what they want from society they still won’t be happy and will scramble once again to find the cause of their unhappiness as a community. The right will never change their stance and gays will always spin the facts in their favor ignoring things like mental illness, substance abuse and sexual addiction as problems in the gay world. They make them things to be celebrated through things like bath houses (are there also straight bath houses in every major city?), gay bars and cruising areas. Not all gays do that kind of thing but Most of them do as gay culture has marketed for years a way to feel connected to the community is to be social in a place where everyone is just like you which often times means the bar. If that’s not true then why does every gay friendly area have plenty of watering holes? Is it a coincidence in every city?

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:57:27 +0000

Timothy could have been describing me when he said: “A person who leaves an ex-gay ministry and positions himself in an affirming church and finds a committed partner and is a pillar of the community for the next 50 years is still a failure – they didnâ€™t â€œcome out of the homosexual lifestyleâ€. And they remain the political enemy of Exodus.”

Not only a failure and an enemy! When I decided I couldn’t keep fooling myself and others by pretending to be “ex-gay”, one of my fellow “founders” wrote me a reassuring and loving letter — in which he graphically described the fiery, eternal penalty that awaited me for leaving.

He also graciously included a copy of his recent newsletter. In the cover article, he called “gay Christians” like me “anathema”, “greatly to be destested” and “condemned” by the very words I applied to myself. Eddy’s attitude about the matter seems much more Christ-like.

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:39:54 +0000

BTW – I am a gay Christian who lives a celibate life who is also completely opposed to Exodus!

By: Jayhuck

Jayhuck — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:37:34 +0000

Eddy,

Until Exodus completely divorces itself from politics, I believe it will see its own downfall. No compassionate thinking person is going to be able to reconcile their message with their actions.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:38:13 +0000

And when an Exodus spokesperson expressed any political viewpoint, many again assumed that those views were shared by all member agencies.

Yup. When a spokesman claims to be speaking for “hundreds of thousands of former homosexuals like myself” then people think he’s speaking for… oh you get the idea.

I most definitely hope that the politics goes away. Oddly enough, there are quite a few gay Christians who would not be opposed to an organization that sought to help those who believe they have to live a life of abstinance, if it wasn’t married to a political agenda that wants to take away my gay friends’ health insurance or my lesbian friends’ kids.