Ecclesiastes 9:9

“Enjoy life with the wife you love all the days of your fleeting life, which has been give to you under the sun, all your fleeting days. For that is your portion in life and in your struggle under the sun.” HCSB

teststosterone-teststosterone and estrogen-estrogen = Not filling your love tank to capacity.

God is something that could have the whole meaning of life figured out, but by ignoring his rules we have sin which equals illness and death. Gay people die because they are not reaching the potential of love they are supposed to have causing ill health. We all know the greatest thing on earth we have the ability to do is love, for it can give mothers super human strength.

1 John 3:4 ESV

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

Lawlessness equals condemnation, So it shouldn’t be a mystery to 75% of Canadians thats when someone is putting a penis in the butthole of another dude it is a form of seperation from God our ultimate love and this equals illness.

Life is long. Try to live life to the best of your ability for 1 month under Jesus’s teachings and you will find a self happiness that is greater than any sexual relation. I promise. I did this and I’m a new man. Try and waste a month of your life to gain a lifetime.

I play college basketball so I have discipline. I say this not outta arrogance but so you might respect my oppinion more and know I’m not the guy that was a social outcast.

In view of the AIDS epidemic, homosexual and bisexual men’s greater susceptibility to contagious diseases of all kinds due to promiscuity and the type of sexual activity they engage in, and the higher than average rates of substance abuse among homosexuals, why should it surprise anyone that homosexuals would have a shorter life expectancy? Even if some of Dr. Cameron’s studies are flawed, it is still likely that homosexual and bisexual males have shorter life expectancies than heterosexual males, if only because of AIDS. Some of you are using Dr. Cameron’s study as a strawman to discredit the broader statement that homosexuals live shorter lives on average than heterosexuals. Flawed methodology in a study does not mean that that statement is false.

I’m not necessarily defending Dr. Cameron’s study, but it’s clear that the people in this thread who are attacking his work and even attacking him personally have an axe to grind and are as agenda-driven as they accuse him of being.

I suspect that the vast overwhelming population of Christians would prefer factual and objective truth – whether or not it confirms their presuppositions. Unfortunately they don’t own media empires.

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Dr. Cameron needs a new calculator. His final column is descibed as being “Hetero/Homo = Ratio of heterosexual to non-heterosexual”. By any accounts, “non-heterosexual” includes all who are not heterosexual, ie the population of “unknown”.

By rerunning his calculations without this obvious (and intentional) exclusion, the story becomes quite different. The real ratio of hetero/non-hetero is

-24 13/1

-34 13/1

-44 13/1

-54 13/1

-64 12/1

65+ 6/1

Total 11/1

And using the whole population, if the “above 65” crowd is included, the 1 in 13 non-heterosexual actually increases to 1 in 11.

These data demand explanation. And the most obvious explanation (and the only one we will be distributing to the press) is that GAY PEOPLE LIVE LONGER. Or, perhaps, as people age they become less heterosexual – and it must be men because lesbians all turn straight.

Fortunately, even the very biased gay press is unwilling to print something so obviously stupid. As a Christian, I wish the Christian press had standards half as high as the gay press.

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David,

Some of the drop off in gay identification can be due to what appears to be the more maliable identity of lesbians and their return to heterosexuality.

I know of anecdotes of such “return”, but I’ve not seen anything to support your statement. Do you have any susbstantiation? While I suspect that orientation in some women may possibly be more maliable than in men, that is just a guess and I don’t think we can attribute any statistical population variances to it.

Also…. hmmm… you are approaching the age in which more and more people find themselves unsure of their orientation. You better be careful. Some day you might be harmlessly watching some Jeopardy and suddenly and unexpectedly find yourself overcome with lust for Alex Trabek. It can be very confusing, this “unknown” time of life.

The size of that group must be about the size of one of Cameron’s “representative” populations.

I have to wonder how many Christians are interested in the truth especially when it doesn’t say what they want it to say. (Present company – Warren and David – clearly don’t fall into that group.)

I fear that even if Cameron were published and refuted by the APA, the anti-gay crowd would still reference his work, as we saw recently on Randy Thomas’ blog. The point is that he serves their purposes and that’s all that matters to them.

Is there (will there be) a conference report published? If so will either version be available in the report?

Also, I note that Cameron claims it is common practice for a poster to have revisions added at the conference, but is it common to change the submission materials?

Identifying oneself as gay or lesbian is also a function os social acceptability, which only occured in the last 30 years. Some of the drop off in gay identification can be due to what appears to be the more maliable identity of lesbians and their return to heterosexuality.

Jim Burroway does a good job and showing why the sample of gays and lesbians will provide skewed information about early demise.

Frankly, I wish Cameron’s work was published, for the sake of close examination and rebuttal in the scientific community.

Christians interested in truth who are also scientifically trained want to trust a scientific system that they helped create. The agendizing (is this a word) of psychology facilitates Cameron’s identity as a struggling, oppressed researcher, which can be easily dsimantled in print.

The APA should publish him often, and then examine his work scientifically and expose how his agenda mischaracterizes the facts.

Likely it is HIV/AIDS as that is the generation which experienced the onslaught of the disease without due warning. Cameron might as well be harping upon a god-given retribution against gay men then. Though having experience the 80s & 90s in that demography even in the nation’s interior, I doubt that a 33% decline is close to correct. Heck, I’m still around… *cough*

But then there is the amount of “Don’t knows/won’t answers” that rise in those times. Even the percentage of straights decline by over 7% in favor of the undeclared category. It could be that people just don’t care or gay men of those generations born in a more conservative time would keep there sexuality hidden. Anecdotally, I can state that gay men in rural settings such as that in which I live are not moved to ‘advertise’ their sexuality, especially in my age bracket (that is, those brackets which show decline).

Ultimately, you cannot really know. I’m not even sure a comprehensive census would come up with reliable demographic figures concerning sexual orientation with personal reporting problems.