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		By: Mother Nature is Biased		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not religious but I think that homosexuality is a psychological disorder in which we haven&#039;t quite found the cause.  Similar to the Transsexual/gender indentity crowds.  If someone doesn&#039;t eat, it&#039;s a disorder of some kind.  Same with not being able to sit still for long periods of time.  As in with not being able to get a full night&#039;s rest consistently.  Why not for sexual attraction?  It is what is expected being that we are a species that depends on natural heterosexual sex in order to procreate and replace our species.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not religious but I think that homosexuality is a psychological disorder in which we haven&#8217;t quite found the cause.  Similar to the Transsexual/gender indentity crowds.  If someone doesn&#8217;t eat, it&#8217;s a disorder of some kind.  Same with not being able to sit still for long periods of time.  As in with not being able to get a full night&#8217;s rest consistently.  Why not for sexual attraction?  It is what is expected being that we are a species that depends on natural heterosexual sex in order to procreate and replace our species.</p>
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		By: John Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[75% of Canada says they are Christian. Older people tend to find a meaning in life that is greater than themselves. Christianity is selfless if You choose to believe in Jesus&#039;s teachings. Most elder people turn to God for life after there own is nearing its end. If what 75% of people believe is correct than being gay is unhealthy because sin is unhealthy.

 Ecclesiastes 9:9

&quot;Enjoy life with the wife you love all the days of your fleeting life, which has been give to you under the sun, all your fleeting days. For that is your portion in life and in your struggle under the sun.&quot; HCSB



teststosterone-teststosterone and estrogen-estrogen = Not filling your love tank to capacity.



God is something that could have the whole meaning of life figured out, but by ignoring his rules we have sin which equals illness and death. Gay people die because they are not reaching the potential of love they are supposed to have causing ill health. We all know the greatest thing on earth we have the ability to do is love, for it can give mothers super human strength.



1 John 3:4 ESV

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

Lawlessness equals condemnation, So it shouldn&#039;t be a mystery to 75% of Canadians thats when someone is putting a penis in the butthole of another dude it is a form of seperation from God our ultimate love and this equals illness.

Life is long. Try to live life to the best of your ability for 1 month under Jesus&#039;s teachings and you will find a self happiness that is greater than any sexual relation. I promise. I did this and I&#039;m a new man. Try and waste a month of your life to gain a lifetime.

I play college basketball so I have discipline. I say this not outta arrogance but so you might respect my oppinion more and know I&#039;m not the guy that was a social outcast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75% of Canada says they are Christian. Older people tend to find a meaning in life that is greater than themselves. Christianity is selfless if You choose to believe in Jesus&#8217;s teachings. Most elder people turn to God for life after there own is nearing its end. If what 75% of people believe is correct than being gay is unhealthy because sin is unhealthy.</p>
<p> Ecclesiastes 9:9</p>
<p>&#8220;Enjoy life with the wife you love all the days of your fleeting life, which has been give to you under the sun, all your fleeting days. For that is your portion in life and in your struggle under the sun.&#8221; HCSB</p>
<p>teststosterone-teststosterone and estrogen-estrogen = Not filling your love tank to capacity.</p>
<p>God is something that could have the whole meaning of life figured out, but by ignoring his rules we have sin which equals illness and death. Gay people die because they are not reaching the potential of love they are supposed to have causing ill health. We all know the greatest thing on earth we have the ability to do is love, for it can give mothers super human strength.</p>
<p>1 John 3:4 ESV</p>
<p>Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.</p>
<p>Lawlessness equals condemnation, So it shouldn&#8217;t be a mystery to 75% of Canadians thats when someone is putting a penis in the butthole of another dude it is a form of seperation from God our ultimate love and this equals illness.</p>
<p>Life is long. Try to live life to the best of your ability for 1 month under Jesus&#8217;s teachings and you will find a self happiness that is greater than any sexual relation. I promise. I did this and I&#8217;m a new man. Try and waste a month of your life to gain a lifetime.</p>
<p>I play college basketball so I have discipline. I say this not outta arrogance but so you might respect my oppinion more and know I&#8217;m not the guy that was a social outcast.</p>
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		By: Igor Alexander		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Igor Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a number of scientists and researchers with an obvious homosexual movement agenda who have made claims that were more dubious and whose methods were more questionable than Dr. Cameron&#039;s but who have nevertheless not been subjected to the same kind of scrutiny and orchestrated smear campaigns that Dr. Cameron has. Examples include Simon LeVay, Dean H. Hamer, Richard Lippa, Paul Gibson, and Alfred Kinsey. When Dr. Cameron says, &quot;the sad truth [is] that if you publish research that is inconvenient to the gay rights movement, you encounter more obstacles than those whose work supports gay claims,&quot; I can only agree with him.



In view of the AIDS epidemic, homosexual and bisexual men&#039;s greater susceptibility to contagious diseases of all kinds due to promiscuity and the type of sexual activity they engage in, and the higher than average rates of substance abuse among homosexuals, why should it surprise anyone that homosexuals would have a shorter life expectancy? Even if some of Dr. Cameron&#039;s studies are flawed, it is still likely that homosexual and bisexual males have shorter life expectancies than heterosexual males, if only because of AIDS. Some of you are using Dr. Cameron&#039;s study as a strawman to discredit the broader statement that homosexuals live shorter lives on average than heterosexuals. Flawed methodology in a study does not mean that that statement is false.



I&#039;m not necessarily defending Dr. Cameron&#039;s study, but it&#039;s clear that the people in this thread who are attacking his work and even attacking him personally have an axe to grind and are as agenda-driven as they accuse him of being.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of scientists and researchers with an obvious homosexual movement agenda who have made claims that were more dubious and whose methods were more questionable than Dr. Cameron&#8217;s but who have nevertheless not been subjected to the same kind of scrutiny and orchestrated smear campaigns that Dr. Cameron has. Examples include Simon LeVay, Dean H. Hamer, Richard Lippa, Paul Gibson, and Alfred Kinsey. When Dr. Cameron says, &#8220;the sad truth [is] that if you publish research that is inconvenient to the gay rights movement, you encounter more obstacles than those whose work supports gay claims,&#8221; I can only agree with him.</p>
<p>In view of the AIDS epidemic, homosexual and bisexual men&#8217;s greater susceptibility to contagious diseases of all kinds due to promiscuity and the type of sexual activity they engage in, and the higher than average rates of substance abuse among homosexuals, why should it surprise anyone that homosexuals would have a shorter life expectancy? Even if some of Dr. Cameron&#8217;s studies are flawed, it is still likely that homosexual and bisexual males have shorter life expectancies than heterosexual males, if only because of AIDS. Some of you are using Dr. Cameron&#8217;s study as a strawman to discredit the broader statement that homosexuals live shorter lives on average than heterosexuals. Flawed methodology in a study does not mean that that statement is false.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily defending Dr. Cameron&#8217;s study, but it&#8217;s clear that the people in this thread who are attacking his work and even attacking him personally have an axe to grind and are as agenda-driven as they accuse him of being.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also want to offer Dr. Cameron some solice.  He&#039;s not the first Doctor to find that the professional community doesn&#039;t take his statements seriously.  I hear that Dr. Seuss had the same complaint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also want to offer Dr. Cameron some solice.  He&#8217;s not the first Doctor to find that the professional community doesn&#8217;t take his statements seriously.  I hear that Dr. Seuss had the same complaint.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gordo,



I suspect that the vast overwhelming population of Christians would prefer factual and objective truth - whether or not it confirms their presuppositions.  Unfortunately they don&#039;t own media empires.



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Dr. Cameron needs a new calculator.  His final column is descibed as being &quot;Hetero/Homo = Ratio of heterosexual to non-heterosexual&quot;.  By any accounts, &quot;non-heterosexual&quot; includes all who are not heterosexual, ie the population of &quot;unknown&quot;.



By rerunning his calculations without this obvious (and intentional) exclusion, the story becomes quite different.  The real ratio of hetero/non-hetero is



-24    13/1

-34    13/1

-44    13/1

-54    13/1

-64    12/1

65+    6/1

Total  11/1



And using the whole population, if the &quot;above 65&quot; crowd is included, the 1 in 13 non-heterosexual actually increases to 1 in 11.



&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;These data demand explanation.  And the most obvious explanation (and the only one we will be distributing to the press) is that GAY PEOPLE LIVE LONGER.  Or, perhaps, as people age they become less heterosexual - and it must be men because lesbians all turn straight.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;



Fortunately, even the very biased gay press is unwilling to print something so obviously stupid.  As a Christian, I wish the Christian press had standards half as high as the gay press.



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David,



&lt;i&gt;Some of the drop off in gay identification can be due to what appears to be the more maliable identity of lesbians and their return to heterosexuality.&lt;/i&gt;



I know of anecdotes of such &quot;return&quot;, but I&#039;ve not seen anything to support your statement.  Do you have any susbstantiation?  While I suspect that orientation in some women may possibly be more maliable than in men, that is just a guess and I don&#039;t think we can attribute any statistical population variances to it.



Also.... hmmm... you are approaching the age in which more and more people find themselves unsure of their orientation.  You better be careful.  Some day you might be harmlessly watching some Jeopardy and suddenly and unexpectedly find yourself overcome with lust for Alex Trabek.  It can be very confusing, this &quot;unknown&quot; time of life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordo,</p>
<p>I suspect that the vast overwhelming population of Christians would prefer factual and objective truth &#8211; whether or not it confirms their presuppositions.  Unfortunately they don&#8217;t own media empires.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Dr. Cameron needs a new calculator.  His final column is descibed as being &#8220;Hetero/Homo = Ratio of heterosexual to non-heterosexual&#8221;.  By any accounts, &#8220;non-heterosexual&#8221; includes all who are not heterosexual, ie the population of &#8220;unknown&#8221;.</p>
<p>By rerunning his calculations without this obvious (and intentional) exclusion, the story becomes quite different.  The real ratio of hetero/non-hetero is</p>
<p>-24    13/1</p>
<p>-34    13/1</p>
<p>-44    13/1</p>
<p>-54    13/1</p>
<p>-64    12/1</p>
<p>65+    6/1</p>
<p>Total  11/1</p>
<p>And using the whole population, if the &#8220;above 65&#8221; crowd is included, the 1 in 13 non-heterosexual actually increases to 1 in 11.</p>
<p><b><i>These data demand explanation.  And the most obvious explanation (and the only one we will be distributing to the press) is that GAY PEOPLE LIVE LONGER.  Or, perhaps, as people age they become less heterosexual &#8211; and it must be men because lesbians all turn straight.</i></b></p>
<p>Fortunately, even the very biased gay press is unwilling to print something so obviously stupid.  As a Christian, I wish the Christian press had standards half as high as the gay press.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p><i>Some of the drop off in gay identification can be due to what appears to be the more maliable identity of lesbians and their return to heterosexuality.</i></p>
<p>I know of anecdotes of such &#8220;return&#8221;, but I&#8217;ve not seen anything to support your statement.  Do you have any susbstantiation?  While I suspect that orientation in some women may possibly be more maliable than in men, that is just a guess and I don&#8217;t think we can attribute any statistical population variances to it.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;. hmmm&#8230; you are approaching the age in which more and more people find themselves unsure of their orientation.  You better be careful.  Some day you might be harmlessly watching some Jeopardy and suddenly and unexpectedly find yourself overcome with lust for Alex Trabek.  It can be very confusing, this &#8220;unknown&#8221; time of life.</p>
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