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	Comments on: Open Thread: Anderson Cooper&#8217;s look at Sex and Salvation	</title>
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		By: queertardo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/05/open-thread-anderson-coopers-look-at-sex-and-salvation/#comment-4437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queertardo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;All of the participants in this conversation agree that same-sex attraction is not chosen. Arguing that there is some question about the morality of same-sex attraction suggests that a person can be immoral without choice.&lt;/i&gt;



I&#039;d like to say that I believe in my case, I chose to be homosexual in the womb. I also chose to be almost 6 feet tall, athletically built and not develop male patterned baldness. I chose my blue eyes and fair complexion and I even remember choosing to never have acne- not even during adolescence, like most of the teens I knew. Every time I go to the  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lovewonout.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Love Won Out page&lt;/a&gt; I can&#039;t help but wonder why these ex-gay men didn&#039;t choose to keep their hair, they have such high foreheads, especially that Alan Chambers- perhaps they forgot that they could choose to not lose it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>All of the participants in this conversation agree that same-sex attraction is not chosen. Arguing that there is some question about the morality of same-sex attraction suggests that a person can be immoral without choice.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say that I believe in my case, I chose to be homosexual in the womb. I also chose to be almost 6 feet tall, athletically built and not develop male patterned baldness. I chose my blue eyes and fair complexion and I even remember choosing to never have acne- not even during adolescence, like most of the teens I knew. Every time I go to the  <a href="http://www.lovewonout.com/" rel="nofollow">Love Won Out page</a> I can&#8217;t help but wonder why these ex-gay men didn&#8217;t choose to keep their hair, they have such high foreheads, especially that Alan Chambers- perhaps they forgot that they could choose to not lose it?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You Tube now has some video of the Nicolosi incident...



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DOCeenjAio&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DOCeenjAio&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Tube now has some video of the Nicolosi incident&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DOCeenjAio" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DOCeenjAio</a></p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Homosexuality is uncommon and naturalâ€¦the morality of it is under debate.&quot;



David, I&#039;m troubled by this statement.



If by &quot;homosexuality&quot; you mean sexual behavior, well obviously that is under debate.  You and Warren would find it Scripurally immoraly, Michael and I would not.  But if by &quot;homosexuality&quot; you mean same-sex attraction, then I believe you are taking a position that is theologically unsupportable.



All of the participants in this conversation agree that same-sex attraction is not chosen.  Arguing that there is some question about the morality of same-sex attraction suggests that a person can be immoral without choice.  Such a notion would require a God that whisically dooms a soul to condemnation without there being any hope for salvation.



Surely that isn&#039;t your religious belief?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Homosexuality is uncommon and naturalâ€¦the morality of it is under debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>David, I&#8217;m troubled by this statement.</p>
<p>If by &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; you mean sexual behavior, well obviously that is under debate.  You and Warren would find it Scripurally immoraly, Michael and I would not.  But if by &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; you mean same-sex attraction, then I believe you are taking a position that is theologically unsupportable.</p>
<p>All of the participants in this conversation agree that same-sex attraction is not chosen.  Arguing that there is some question about the morality of same-sex attraction suggests that a person can be immoral without choice.  Such a notion would require a God that whisically dooms a soul to condemnation without there being any hope for salvation.</p>
<p>Surely that isn&#8217;t your religious belief?</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/05/open-thread-anderson-coopers-look-at-sex-and-salvation/#comment-4434</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The New York Times has come out and said that the argument is over; see:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?em&#038;ex=1176350400&#038;en=b404a6db2fd69c6f&#038;ei=5087%0A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pas de Deux of Sexuality Is Written in the Genes&lt;/a&gt;



Or the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?ei=5087%0A&#038;em=&#038;en=b404a6db2fd69c6f&#038;ex=1176350400&#038;adxnnl=1&#038;adxnnlx=1176234694-tJXKLs/5suyiGRL1nTai7A&#038;pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PrintPage for the Article&lt;/a&gt;



I wonder what Cooper would have had to say of such an article....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times has come out and said that the argument is over; see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?em&amp;ex=1176350400&amp;en=b404a6db2fd69c6f&amp;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow">Pas de Deux of Sexuality Is Written in the Genes</a></p>
<p>Or the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?ei=5087%0A&amp;em=&amp;en=b404a6db2fd69c6f&amp;ex=1176350400&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1176234694-tJXKLs/5suyiGRL1nTai7A&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">PrintPage for the Article</a></p>
<p>I wonder what Cooper would have had to say of such an article&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gordo - Alas, I fear you are correct. I am concerned that psychology&#039;s venture into public policy is not often about science. Exceptions that come to mind are the APA&#039;s advisories on video game violence and the recent task force on sexualization of girls.



In principle, I am glad to see APA attention to therapies that have questionable utility but I would like to see them look at attachment therapy, bioenergetics, body psychotherapies, etc. as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordo &#8211; Alas, I fear you are correct. I am concerned that psychology&#8217;s venture into public policy is not often about science. Exceptions that come to mind are the APA&#8217;s advisories on video game violence and the recent task force on sexualization of girls.</p>
<p>In principle, I am glad to see APA attention to therapies that have questionable utility but I would like to see them look at attachment therapy, bioenergetics, body psychotherapies, etc. as well.</p>
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