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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/26/team-donnie-davies-responds-to-email/#comment-3404</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll take anyone to task who thinks it is funny to disparage another group of people. Maybe that is not a common belief.



The responsibility does not solely lie in the hands of those who created it. I can create pornography...but if nobody distributes it, it doesn&#039;t get far, and isn&#039;t likely to be repeated. That is how I view it. We all hold some culpability - by our viewing and distribution (if that is the case).



Just an opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take anyone to task who thinks it is funny to disparage another group of people. Maybe that is not a common belief.</p>
<p>The responsibility does not solely lie in the hands of those who created it. I can create pornography&#8230;but if nobody distributes it, it doesn&#8217;t get far, and isn&#8217;t likely to be repeated. That is how I view it. We all hold some culpability &#8211; by our viewing and distribution (if that is the case).</p>
<p>Just an opinion.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/26/team-donnie-davies-responds-to-email/#comment-3403</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you might want to vent on the one who made this stuff up. I, like many other observers, gay and straight and who knows what, have reported this stuff as a fascinating episode in persuasion. Are you going around to all the gay bloggers taking them to task for publicizing the video and related matters?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might want to vent on the one who made this stuff up. I, like many other observers, gay and straight and who knows what, have reported this stuff as a fascinating episode in persuasion. Are you going around to all the gay bloggers taking them to task for publicizing the video and related matters?</p>
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		By: jag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whether this is a &quot;spoof&quot; or not does not make it any less offensive. Substitute this acronym, and perhaps it will change the sensitivity factor:



C.A.O.P.



&quot;changing africans into ordinary people&quot;



not so funny now?



I&#039;m glad that you don&#039;t deny that gay and lesbian people can live happy, healthy lives. Do you communicate this to patients who seek to change their orientation or to those you teach?



If they can lead happy lives, why attempt (likely with poor outcomes, and with the noted risk of harm) to change them?



A &quot;values and beliefs issue&quot; is an interesting phrase to use.  The KKK has a value and belief system...I don&#039;t agree with it, but they have the right to hold it. Enforcing their ideal of life would deprive others of basic rights and human dignity. As educated professionals, we know better than to support such policies.





I feel that you (and others who may believe similarly) have every right to hold the beliefs you do. My christian faith differs from your own. However, to my knowledge, our country is not a theocracy - and not subject to any one religious perspective.



Whether or not you believe homosexuality is a sin is rather irrelevant to the issue of respect. Does it matter if it&#039;s a satire?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether this is a &#8220;spoof&#8221; or not does not make it any less offensive. Substitute this acronym, and perhaps it will change the sensitivity factor:</p>
<p>C.A.O.P.</p>
<p>&#8220;changing africans into ordinary people&#8221;</p>
<p>not so funny now?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you don&#8217;t deny that gay and lesbian people can live happy, healthy lives. Do you communicate this to patients who seek to change their orientation or to those you teach?</p>
<p>If they can lead happy lives, why attempt (likely with poor outcomes, and with the noted risk of harm) to change them?</p>
<p>A &#8220;values and beliefs issue&#8221; is an interesting phrase to use.  The KKK has a value and belief system&#8230;I don&#8217;t agree with it, but they have the right to hold it. Enforcing their ideal of life would deprive others of basic rights and human dignity. As educated professionals, we know better than to support such policies.</p>
<p>I feel that you (and others who may believe similarly) have every right to hold the beliefs you do. My christian faith differs from your own. However, to my knowledge, our country is not a theocracy &#8211; and not subject to any one religious perspective.</p>
<p>Whether or not you believe homosexuality is a sin is rather irrelevant to the issue of respect. Does it matter if it&#8217;s a satire?</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jag (why don&#039;t you use your name?) - I do not deny that gay couples can live healthy happy lives. I think it is a values and beliefs issue for people to determine.



If this were not spoof I would be offended by it. I might be anyway, I can&#039;t decide yet because I do not know enough about it, except that it is a satire.



I am a clinician informed by social psych research and I think this whole episode is fascinating from that point of view. I am not endorsing a fictional program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jag (why don&#8217;t you use your name?) &#8211; I do not deny that gay couples can live healthy happy lives. I think it is a values and beliefs issue for people to determine.</p>
<p>If this were not spoof I would be offended by it. I might be anyway, I can&#8217;t decide yet because I do not know enough about it, except that it is a satire.</p>
<p>I am a clinician informed by social psych research and I think this whole episode is fascinating from that point of view. I am not endorsing a fictional program.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This cartoon and its representation should be offensive to you as a professional, a christian and a psychologist. Even if you believe it to be a sin (which, I do not)...sin is had by &quot;ordinary people.&quot; This is just another instance of the continued stigmatization of gay/lesbian people.



Why as a professional? As I stated earlier, and you are well aware of... Reparative therapy/Conversion therapy has a terrible rate of success - and even murkier means of measuring the little amount reported. What is change? Not fantasizing, not engaging in activity with, etc.?



Even Exodus has had a difficult time keeping its employees/leaders from reverting back to their natural affectional inclinations, to its detriment. That, along with the APA statements on the potential harms of such therapy.



I understand that gay/lesbian individuals often feel distressed by their orientation living in the discriminatory society that we do.



The APA makes particular note that there is a duty to discuss that being gay/lesbian does not preclude you from living a productive, happy life â€¦and I wonder if a true discussion of this can be had if the therapist does not believe it, and works against causes which could offer this client a more seamless integration into society (equality in employment, housing, marriage, etc..).



Just as any person who comes to therapy might not like who they are, and come to an understanding and appreciation of the wonderful gifts/potentialities of their lifeâ€¦.so I hope that the person who struggles with same-sex attractions can find therapy and come to appreciate the beauty of what they offer - being the person they are.



As a profession, even christian psychology needs to be consistent in following the science. We know same-sex couples can lead healthy, happy and productive lives - having fulfilling family lives and life-long commitments.



For someone who claims to follow truth, I am wondering why that one is never proclaimed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cartoon and its representation should be offensive to you as a professional, a christian and a psychologist. Even if you believe it to be a sin (which, I do not)&#8230;sin is had by &#8220;ordinary people.&#8221; This is just another instance of the continued stigmatization of gay/lesbian people.</p>
<p>Why as a professional? As I stated earlier, and you are well aware of&#8230; Reparative therapy/Conversion therapy has a terrible rate of success &#8211; and even murkier means of measuring the little amount reported. What is change? Not fantasizing, not engaging in activity with, etc.?</p>
<p>Even Exodus has had a difficult time keeping its employees/leaders from reverting back to their natural affectional inclinations, to its detriment. That, along with the APA statements on the potential harms of such therapy.</p>
<p>I understand that gay/lesbian individuals often feel distressed by their orientation living in the discriminatory society that we do.</p>
<p>The APA makes particular note that there is a duty to discuss that being gay/lesbian does not preclude you from living a productive, happy life â€¦and I wonder if a true discussion of this can be had if the therapist does not believe it, and works against causes which could offer this client a more seamless integration into society (equality in employment, housing, marriage, etc..).</p>
<p>Just as any person who comes to therapy might not like who they are, and come to an understanding and appreciation of the wonderful gifts/potentialities of their lifeâ€¦.so I hope that the person who struggles with same-sex attractions can find therapy and come to appreciate the beauty of what they offer &#8211; being the person they are.</p>
<p>As a profession, even christian psychology needs to be consistent in following the science. We know same-sex couples can lead healthy, happy and productive lives &#8211; having fulfilling family lives and life-long commitments.</p>
<p>For someone who claims to follow truth, I am wondering why that one is never proclaimed.</p>
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