Since this is the case, I will bow out as I should have the moment someone started quoting DL. That is always a good time to leave 😉

In my view, the Exodus standards are a beginning and as time moves along, they will likely get stronger. I feel really good about the fact that we who comment here on this blog will have some input into that process. Despite our differences, this is a valuable way to work together.

That really scares me. Would such youth groups have ex-gay men (who by their own admission still struggle with gay temptations) mentoring emotionally troubled and vulnerable boys who are struggling with the very same temptations? Isn’t this taking a terrible risk?

A group of gay boys “questioning their sexuality between the ages of 14 and 21” sounds like a smorgasbord for pedophiles.

I’m glad that some in Exodus are gradually aspiring to do better than that — and I’m gladder that several gay- and gay-affirming youth organizations have tougher guidelines than those of Exodus’ and are working with pro-youth advocates to make their guidelines even tougher.

If ex-gay advocates would spend more time minding the plank in their own eyes, and learning from the best that others (including gays) have to offer them, then they would have fewer problems with endangerment of youth in their “ministries.” The same is obviously true of any gay-affirming groups whose own standards are subpar.

Wow, parents! Just think, if your son comes out to you as “gay”, in no time he can get hooked up teaching men how to put a condom on and get into “hottest” (that means sex)homosexual clubs.

You’re showing your ignorance here. Pick up ANY magazine that discusses culture (People, US, etc.) and you’ll quickly see that a “hot club” is not a sex club – either gay or heterosexual – it’s just whichever is the most current and popular.

Also, though it may not have occurred to you, “Educate men about the importance of safe sex and condom use” is not the same thing as “how to put on a condom”.

Burt/Beth, you came on this site and made a bunch of accusations. But you have nothing to back them up (other than just repeating the baseless claims of DL). That probably works really well on websites where the only access to actual gay people is via inuendo, accusation, and rumor. But, unfortunately, the readers here are a bit more informed and this leaves you appearing uninformed and, well, hateful.

Maybe some better research – and some realistic assumptions – would better serve you in the future.

I would think these rules would preclude inviting your parents.

OUR RULES:

We ask all the youth who attend meetings to conform to the following basic rules of respect and safety. On rare occasions we have had to ask some individuals to leave or bar them from attending meetings because they have not been followed. The message? We do enforce the rules!

* Confidentiality is essential. “Confidentiality” means always keeping the names of ROSMY youth, their words and stories secret and private. Don’t talk about other young people outside of the group, unless the person clearly tells you that it is okay.

* Be respectful of others attending the meeting.

* No drugs, alcohol or weapons are allowed at the group meeting.

* Do not attend the group meeting if you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

* Smoking is not permitted inside the building.

* Do not bring anyone with you to the group unless they are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or questioning their sexuality and between the ages of 14 and 21.

“It is amusing to wath gay groups moralize about protecting teens when hundreds of gay teens are in gay clubs smootching on older men and no one says anything.”

It is incorrect that no one says anything. Harvey Fierstein has made a series of video commentaries (for the “In the Life” series I believe), one of which he did address this topic. The gist of his comment was that when older men see these kids in the bars they should help them by being a mentor not a “sugar daddy.”

Lively debate Warren, you sly fox 😉

The truth is all one would have to do is take a hidden video camera into a few gay community centers and youth groups and find that the standards are lacking.There are tons of gay youth groups whose standards are not as open as Exdous yet they get a break.

Recently, gay activists have been up in arms about Memphis based Love In Action’s program for teens who have homosexual issues. Among other names the program and ministry has been branded a “deprogramming camp” by detractors. Last year DL Foster exposed ROSMY the Richmond Virginia group fro gay youth for a webpage that read

CALLING ROSMY MEN & BOYS:

· Do you want to go to some of Richmond’s hottest gay clubs for free?

· Educate men about the importance of safe sex and condom use?

Wow, parents! Just think, if your son comes out to you as “gay”, in no time he can get hooked up teaching men how to put a condom on and get into “hottest” (that means sex)homosexual clubs.

Where was Peter and Wayne Bessen about Rosmy I thought they wanted to “enhance the general well-being of sexual minority youth.”

On 07.29.05 ROSMY removed references to man-boy sexual interactions from their website after the above post was published. Instead of posting an explanation as to why the references were removed, ROSMY simply left big blank spots.

There should not be a double standard already many faith based groups are looking into gay youth groups and

no one wil know they will find but I am sure it will anything

but “well-being”. Here is alist of pro gay youth groups I wonder how well there standards are.

Beth

(Moderator’s note: This commenter then produced a long list of GLB youth clubs. I deleted them for space purposes and because I feel one can go to the web to find examples of such clubs. Also listing them did not provide any information about their standards. If someone wants to provide a link to standards or lack thereof, then I would welcome that. Also, let me take this opportunity to say, if you make an accusation, please offer some evidence to back it up).