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	Comments on: Religious Practice, Scientific Inquiry and Human Suffering	</title>
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		By: jag		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/01/religious-practice-scientific-inquiry-and-human-suffering/#comment-3152</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting points. We see same-sex pairing behavior across hundreds of species (see &quot;biological exuberance&quot;), and it seems as natural as any other instictually motivated behavior.



It seems some have moral issue with sexual relationships outside of the marriage bond - and that is understood if applied universally. So, I would presume that if a same-sex couple does not have premarital sex, gets married in a Methodist church (or in Canada, etc..), and then continues to live a monogamous life, then this would be acceptable?



Why would you want to change this behavior - or this hope - for those who find their affectional inclinations are toward those of the same-sex? Shouldn&#039;t we promote monogamy, a happy affectional bond, strengthen the family, etc...and support the laws which could do so?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points. We see same-sex pairing behavior across hundreds of species (see &#8220;biological exuberance&#8221;), and it seems as natural as any other instictually motivated behavior.</p>
<p>It seems some have moral issue with sexual relationships outside of the marriage bond &#8211; and that is understood if applied universally. So, I would presume that if a same-sex couple does not have premarital sex, gets married in a Methodist church (or in Canada, etc..), and then continues to live a monogamous life, then this would be acceptable?</p>
<p>Why would you want to change this behavior &#8211; or this hope &#8211; for those who find their affectional inclinations are toward those of the same-sex? Shouldn&#8217;t we promote monogamy, a happy affectional bond, strengthen the family, etc&#8230;and support the laws which could do so?</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently not ALL extramarital heterosexual behavior was considered to be AS sinful -- since, as I have pointed out elsewhere on this blog, the rapist could pay off the father and marry his victim (seemingly against her will), while same sex behavior warranted stoning.



Looking at the Old Testament, how do we determine which prohibitons and punishments still stand, and which ones no longer apply?  I asked earlier:  do we still chop the hands off a woman who grabs another man&#039;s genitals to help her own husband during a fight?  How is that &quot;sin&quot;?  Does it still apply?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently not ALL extramarital heterosexual behavior was considered to be AS sinful &#8212; since, as I have pointed out elsewhere on this blog, the rapist could pay off the father and marry his victim (seemingly against her will), while same sex behavior warranted stoning.</p>
<p>Looking at the Old Testament, how do we determine which prohibitons and punishments still stand, and which ones no longer apply?  I asked earlier:  do we still chop the hands off a woman who grabs another man&#8217;s genitals to help her own husband during a fight?  How is that &#8220;sin&#8221;?  Does it still apply?</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/01/religious-practice-scientific-inquiry-and-human-suffering/#comment-3150</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All extramarital sexual behavior by heterosexuals is considered sin and worthy of similar punishment also.  Hating my brother, whom I have seen is worthy of similar punishment also...and so on.



Holy God, sinful people,..Christ paid the price for all my sin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All extramarital sexual behavior by heterosexuals is considered sin and worthy of similar punishment also.  Hating my brother, whom I have seen is worthy of similar punishment also&#8230;and so on.</p>
<p>Holy God, sinful people,..Christ paid the price for all my sin.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2007/01/01/religious-practice-scientific-inquiry-and-human-suffering/#comment-3149</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren:  Aloow me to clarify.  I said &quot;... and don&#039;t JUST quote Scripure&quot;.  I didn&#039;t say &quot;don&#039;t quote it AT ALL&quot;.  If you can use Scripture to show me what universal moral priniciplce loving, concensual, adult homosexuality violates, I would be very happy to read it.



The reason I am asking is that it seems very clear to me that murder, rape, stealing, etc. violate  very CLEAR and UNIVERSAL moral priniciples (love you neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)  How does homoseuxlaity violate these same principles.  Why do homosexuals deserve capital punishment (and the fires of Hell) while rapists can make it right simply by marrying the girl and paying her  father the bride price?



I have never been able to figure out why all homosexual behavior is considered &quot;sin&quot; (and worthy of horrific, painful, eternal punishment) -- except that it is not heterosexual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren:  Aloow me to clarify.  I said &#8220;&#8230; and don&#8217;t JUST quote Scripure&#8221;.  I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;don&#8217;t quote it AT ALL&#8221;.  If you can use Scripture to show me what universal moral priniciplce loving, concensual, adult homosexuality violates, I would be very happy to read it.</p>
<p>The reason I am asking is that it seems very clear to me that murder, rape, stealing, etc. violate  very CLEAR and UNIVERSAL moral priniciples (love you neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)  How does homoseuxlaity violate these same principles.  Why do homosexuals deserve capital punishment (and the fires of Hell) while rapists can make it right simply by marrying the girl and paying her  father the bride price?</p>
<p>I have never been able to figure out why all homosexual behavior is considered &#8220;sin&#8221; (and worthy of horrific, painful, eternal punishment) &#8212; except that it is not heterosexual.</p>
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		By: Ivan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael,



I can&#039;t say what they have on their mind, because I haven&#039;t ever asked them why they asked, but usually their psych or med students who are interested in behaviour. And most of the time, they (the ones I&#039;ve come across) were given very selective references too (psych students and med students usually), so I guess it&#039;s not suprising that so few ask the question at all. But again, who knows what&#039;s on the mind of the curious. And who says the &#039;curious biased person&#039; isn&#039;t actually a psych student studying sexuality. Once again, I don&#039;t know. I&#039;ll start asking :-)



Ivan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say what they have on their mind, because I haven&#8217;t ever asked them why they asked, but usually their psych or med students who are interested in behaviour. And most of the time, they (the ones I&#8217;ve come across) were given very selective references too (psych students and med students usually), so I guess it&#8217;s not suprising that so few ask the question at all. But again, who knows what&#8217;s on the mind of the curious. And who says the &#8216;curious biased person&#8217; isn&#8217;t actually a psych student studying sexuality. Once again, I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;ll start asking 🙂</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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