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		By: Ivan		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/12/03/another-fraternal-birth-order-research-report/#comment-2988</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr Throckmorton,



This is not a related study, but thought I woudl ask here. I think I asked about this elsewhere on your blog, but I will ask again becuase I don&#039;t think you got to reply.



Do you have any explanation for the Hershberger triplet study, that one of the triplets turned out gay, and showed gender non conforming behaviour from a very very young age, and the other 2 who didn&#039;t turn out gay, did not?



Ivan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Throckmorton,</p>
<p>This is not a related study, but thought I woudl ask here. I think I asked about this elsewhere on your blog, but I will ask again becuase I don&#8217;t think you got to reply.</p>
<p>Do you have any explanation for the Hershberger triplet study, that one of the triplets turned out gay, and showed gender non conforming behaviour from a very very young age, and the other 2 who didn&#8217;t turn out gay, did not?</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		By: Jim Burroway		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/12/03/another-fraternal-birth-order-research-report/#comment-2987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Burroway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Timothy,



You used that typo to try to catch up with me, didn&#039;t you? :-)



You caught me on a day when I left my jump drive at home, so I can&#039;t look the 1975 article up. The abstract is unclear to me, and my notes are ambiguous as well. Jeesh!



Also, the 1981 abstract merely says &quot;was no consistent trend for one therapy to be more effective than the other&quot;. It looks like it will take some digging further into that art icle as well to understand exactly what responses they observed. &quot;No more effective&quot; doesn&#039;t tell me much if he&#039;s claiming success in covert sensitization as well.



But I did recently look at the discussion in the 1981 article to learn McConaghy&#039;s ethical thoughts on aversion therapy. Since he defended it as behavioral therapy rather than sexual reorientation therapy, that argument falls in line with what you said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>You used that typo to try to catch up with me, didn&#8217;t you? 🙂</p>
<p>You caught me on a day when I left my jump drive at home, so I can&#8217;t look the 1975 article up. The abstract is unclear to me, and my notes are ambiguous as well. Jeesh!</p>
<p>Also, the 1981 abstract merely says &#8220;was no consistent trend for one therapy to be more effective than the other&#8221;. It looks like it will take some digging further into that art icle as well to understand exactly what responses they observed. &#8220;No more effective&#8221; doesn&#8217;t tell me much if he&#8217;s claiming success in covert sensitization as well.</p>
<p>But I did recently look at the discussion in the 1981 article to learn McConaghy&#8217;s ethical thoughts on aversion therapy. Since he defended it as behavioral therapy rather than sexual reorientation therapy, that argument falls in line with what you said.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/12/03/another-fraternal-birth-order-research-report/#comment-2986</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...but that the physical response as measured by penile volume &lt;b&gt;was not impacted by aversion therapy&lt;/b&gt;....



sorry]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but that the physical response as measured by penile volume <b>was not impacted by aversion therapy</b>&#8230;.</p>
<p>sorry</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/12/03/another-fraternal-birth-order-research-report/#comment-2985</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim,



It looks like he said that after aversion therapy gay men self reported less feelings and behavior but that the physical response as measured by penile volume.  In other words, behavior and identity may have changed but (to paraphrase badly) the penis wants what the penis wants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>It looks like he said that after aversion therapy gay men self reported less feelings and behavior but that the physical response as measured by penile volume.  In other words, behavior and identity may have changed but (to paraphrase badly) the penis wants what the penis wants.</p>
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		By: Jim Burroway		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/12/03/another-fraternal-birth-order-research-report/#comment-2984</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Burroway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And sorry.  I misread my notes about what McConaghy said in 1975. He did claim success.



And I don&#039;t know why that second hyperlink is messed up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sorry.  I misread my notes about what McConaghy said in 1975. He did claim success.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know why that second hyperlink is messed up.</p>
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