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		By: Jami		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/#comment-2898</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is John still reading here? If so, I wonder what his explanation would be for the fact that both APAs have never repudiated the decision to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder.



Also, if &quot;it&quot; should have been reclassified, how would you propose it be reclassified?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is John still reading here? If so, I wonder what his explanation would be for the fact that both APAs have never repudiated the decision to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder.</p>
<p>Also, if &#8220;it&#8221; should have been reclassified, how would you propose it be reclassified?</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/#comment-2897</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents?&lt;/i&gt;



No, but then neither can Nicolosi.



&lt;i&gt;Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very â€œchangeâ€ in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.&lt;/i&gt;



So why have the APA members never in the last 33 years become aware of this fraud and put it back in? (And please don&#039;t try the stock answer of &quot;everyone&#039;s intimidated by the Gay Mafia(tm)&quot; without explaining just how the majority of the 155,000+ member APA is being intimidated).



And again the claim that treating for unrelated issues will somehow poof away the gay- then the obvious question once again is: why does dedicated &quot;ex-gay&quot; therapy exist at all? Shouldn&#039;t NARTH simply close up shop and their therapists search for unrelated issues to treat whenever someone with unwanted same-sex attractions comes in?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents?</i></p>
<p>No, but then neither can Nicolosi.</p>
<p><i>Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very â€œchangeâ€ in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.</i></p>
<p>So why have the APA members never in the last 33 years become aware of this fraud and put it back in? (And please don&#8217;t try the stock answer of &#8220;everyone&#8217;s intimidated by the Gay Mafia(tm)&#8221; without explaining just how the majority of the 155,000+ member APA is being intimidated).</p>
<p>And again the claim that treating for unrelated issues will somehow poof away the gay- then the obvious question once again is: why does dedicated &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; therapy exist at all? Shouldn&#8217;t NARTH simply close up shop and their therapists search for unrelated issues to treat whenever someone with unwanted same-sex attractions comes in?</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/#comment-2896</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First, Dr. Nicolosi had been at the helm for a long time which is true and having said that can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents? I would imagine that would wear on anyone. By saying his term was about to be up, I meant that it was ending...not a fixed term, sorry if that confused you, my fault.



The descision to change the Presidency had been discussed prior to the flap in re the article. To my knowledge it was Dr. Nicolosi, Dr. Charles W. Socarides and Dr. Benjamin Kaufman who formed Narth. Dr. Socarides I believe was the first President.



I think you meant &quot;election BY members&quot; instead of &quot;election OF members&quot; and if so that is my understanding also, that the election of Dr. Byrd was on a vote of the Board, not a membership vote.



Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very &quot;change&quot; in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.



The dysfunction should have been reclassified, not removed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Dr. Nicolosi had been at the helm for a long time which is true and having said that can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents? I would imagine that would wear on anyone. By saying his term was about to be up, I meant that it was ending&#8230;not a fixed term, sorry if that confused you, my fault.</p>
<p>The descision to change the Presidency had been discussed prior to the flap in re the article. To my knowledge it was Dr. Nicolosi, Dr. Charles W. Socarides and Dr. Benjamin Kaufman who formed Narth. Dr. Socarides I believe was the first President.</p>
<p>I think you meant &#8220;election BY members&#8221; instead of &#8220;election OF members&#8221; and if so that is my understanding also, that the election of Dr. Byrd was on a vote of the Board, not a membership vote.</p>
<p>Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very &#8220;change&#8221; in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>The dysfunction should have been reclassified, not removed.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/#comment-2895</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John - do you know that for a fact or is that speculation? Nicolosi had been president forever and to my knowledge, NARTH does not have elections of members. Are you a NARTH member?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; do you know that for a fact or is that speculation? Nicolosi had been president forever and to my knowledge, NARTH does not have elections of members. Are you a NARTH member?</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/#comment-2894</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that Dr. Nicolosi&#039;s term was simply up and he is too busy with his practice to give the amount of time to monitoring the website, etc... which is probably why it appeared that Narth was not paying attention to the article referenced. The change in leadership is simply done on a rotating basis, and was not done for any other reason. To my knowledge the Board had been looking to rotate the leadership prior to any of this happening and simply made the changes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Dr. Nicolosi&#8217;s term was simply up and he is too busy with his practice to give the amount of time to monitoring the website, etc&#8230; which is probably why it appeared that Narth was not paying attention to the article referenced. The change in leadership is simply done on a rotating basis, and was not done for any other reason. To my knowledge the Board had been looking to rotate the leadership prior to any of this happening and simply made the changes.</p>
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